Bourbon County Stout vs. Central Waters Bourbon Barrel Stout.

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  1. WYVYRN527

    WYVYRN527 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2007 Minnesota

    Now that I have had both of the recent releases, Central Waters blows Goose Island out of the water. More body, more balance, and much more affordable. I'm curious to see what others think. Haters are welcome to comment.
  2. stayclean

    stayclean Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2012 Wisconsin

    I like Central Waters BBS a fair bit (halfway through my third 4pk already), but it doesn't compare to BCBS at all. It's cheaper, I'll give you that.
  3. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Hm. I've had lots of both this year, and while I love the CW, I can't say that it beats out BCBS yet. Let AB put some corn in it first, then I'll agree with you.
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  4. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    My buddy mnphish made the same observation a few weeks ago. Honestly... I think you guys are spot on. In the past I found Central Waters BA Stout to be just too hot out of the gate but this recent release was sublime. If we are strictly comparing fresh batches, I think CW takes the cake.

    We'll see how it stacks up in the long run though. BCBS vintages ('09 specifically) provide a semi-religious experience. I'd love to see Central Waters' latest take on the style age as gracefully as BCBS.
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  5. stayclean

    stayclean Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2012 Wisconsin

    I think the extra six months really did the trick, though I thought the BCBS I drank fresh (this year's) was AMAZING ('hotter' than the '11 I drank beforehand, but well, that's to be expected, heh). I drank a '11 BBS the day before the new one, and I thought they were pretty comparable actually.
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  6. WYVYRN527

    WYVYRN527 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2007 Minnesota

    Very good point. I agree. 2008 and 2009 BCBS were immaculate. I still find the most recent release of the BBS much better. Also, with the way GI treated the Twin Cities market this year with BCBS I'm tempted to drop them entirely from my store.
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  7. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    Saint Arnolds Bishops Barrel 1 outclasses both.
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  8. Steasy66

    Steasy66 Disciple (335) Feb 23, 2012 Minnesota
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    I haven't had this year's version of CW BBS, but unless it is considerably better than all previous iterations, the two aren't in the same league.
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  9. ChugginOil

    ChugginOil Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2010 Illinois

    More like CW BBS vs KBS. BCBS destroys both. But on another note, CW BBS is a bit better this year than it's been in the past and has a flavor profile very similar to KBS. Central Waters has a slightly thinner mouthfeel with a transparent color profile.
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  10. UnderJoath

    UnderJoath Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2010 Illinois
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    You are OUT OF YOUR MIND. This is coming from a huge Central Waters BBS fan, too. BUT sorry sir, I think you are out. of. your. mind.
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  11. stayclean

    stayclean Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2012 Wisconsin

    I think it would hold up against it better if it were thicker.
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  12. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    This year's CW BBS is head and shoulders above the previous vintages. They beefed up the barrel treatment, resulting in an entirely different and superior beer (in my opinion).

    I think OP is making a very reasonable comparison.
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  13. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

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  14. travMI13

    travMI13 Aspirant (213) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan
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    I'll have to track down some of this year's batch, I guess. While they are excellent flavor-wise, and great for the price, the entire line of CW barrel aged beers has always provided an extremely thin mouthfeel. For that reason alone, any comparison to most other world class barrel aged barleywines and stouts (i.e. KBS, BCBS, MOAS, Kuhnhenn BBBW, etc.) has been way off base. I like to chew my barrel-aged beers.

    CORKSCREWFISH Initiate (0) Apr 22, 2011 Illinois

    Heavyweight vs. Welterweight? This one would never be sanctioned!
  16. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Beefed up barrel program doesn't equal a thicker body... OP, did you do a side by side? And what was your BAC when you posted?
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  17. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Champion (849) Apr 8, 2010 Illinois
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    Both are really good, I prefer to buy the CW due to cost and I think I actually like it better overall, not trying to say one is "better" than the other though because I haven't had enough of either to really say for sure.
  18. legend8706

    legend8706 Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2012 Virginia

    Would definitely love to try some Central Waters BBL Stout! Anyone have any up for trade? Can't get it in VA, but I do have some Cafe Royale by Williamsburg Alewerks up for trade! BM me!
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  19. siege06nd

    siege06nd Savant (935) Dec 29, 2009 Virginia
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    You serious, Clark??!?
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  20. bound4er

    bound4er Champion (803) Jul 4, 2007 Wisconsin

    More body no. Less booze, more balance and way more drinkable yes.
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  21. Dactrius

    Dactrius Meyvn (1,135) Apr 23, 2012 Wisconsin
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    If you're going to compare a Central Waters beer to KBS wouldn't peruvian morning be more appropriate? My attempt to do a side by side last year failed because by the time KBS came out the PM infection was already in full force.

    Is there any indication if Central Waters is aging PM or their BBBW longer as well? That'd be awesome.

    I gotta agree that while CW BB Stout is a great beer BCBS is still better. For the price though it's a toss up.
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  22. nc41

    nc41 Meyvn (1,491) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    CW is very good, but BCBS is superior IMO. Now that's it's achieved shelf status brew it will take the hits for being easy to get. But it is expensive.
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  23. jaheussner

    jaheussner Initiate (0) Dec 25, 2008 District of Columbia
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    Absolutely. CWBBS is not anywhere close to the tongue-coating wonder that BCBS is.
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  24. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2005 Minnesota

    Yep. They are two different animals, I like 'em both for different reasons. Surprised people are saying CW is too hot, I've never had that come across.
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  25. huskermike12

    huskermike12 Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2011 Vermont

    Saint Arnolds Bishops Barrel 1 outclasses both. I'm from Texas though, so keep that in mind.​
    Based on reviews, not even the homers from Texas think so.
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  26. n2185

    n2185 Poo-Bah (1,843) Apr 14, 2008 North Carolina
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    These two beers represent the two very different problems with many bbal beers for me.

    BCBS is overwhelmingly boozy and sweet. Toffee and bourbon dominate with no depth or balance.

    Central Waters's BBal Stout, on the other hand, is too timid. The beer is completely overwhelmed by the barrel, resulting in a beer that is only distinguishable as a stout by its label and color. Not difficult to drink like BCBS, but also lacking complexity.

    I like my bbal beers to have balance and complexity. KBS, CBS, Black Note, Abyss, Schlafly BBal Stout, Parabola, Ivan, Lindley Park, Heresy, ORF, etc. are all good examples of bbal stouts that use the barrels to support and compliment the flavors of the base beers rather than to mask or dominate.
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  27. Ford

    Ford Defender (693) Sep 8, 2012 Texas
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    I'm from Texas... and I've had previous BCBS and I think BB1 from Saint ARnold is better. Sadly, they don't have the capacity to make it year round or in huge batches.

    I have not had the other... and is often the case I disagree with reviews on here all the time... and I'm sure others disagree with my reviews... way of the world.
  28. nickapalooza86

    nickapalooza86 Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2010 Wisconsin

    This comparison is a bit silly as one is under 10% and other is 15%, obviously one is gonna have a bigger mouthfeel and more flavor. But I would give CW the edge just because it is so much more drinkable, it is a beer I could see having any day of the week and any time of the year. It is also one I do not buy to age, I buy about a case and a half so I have some to drink untill it comes out the next year, I have saved a couple each year for comparison. BCBS on the other hand I have a case of and I assume when it comes out next year I will still have the better part of the case.
  29. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    I'm a bit surprised by these responses, but then again most of you are Wisconsin fan boys, and since Central Waters only sends beer to Chicago (outside of Wisco), it makes sense.
    *Edit: not meant to offend, just an observation.
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  30. nc41

    nc41 Meyvn (1,491) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Whatever possessed them to put BCBS into Bombers? When you pop one of those babies you just made a commitment. Nice to see sanity and 12 oz bottles.
  31. jtg5678

    jtg5678 Aspirant (210) Nov 27, 2012 Illinois
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    I had the 2012 version of CW's and thought it had way too much bourbon flavor. It masked the entire beer. Sometimes I think there is an idea that the more bourbon, the better the beer, but a lot of these barrel aged guys have no balance whatsoever.

    I think BCBS is well balanced but I've recently come to the conclusion that I vastly prefer non-BA stouts.
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  32. Keyportnick

    Keyportnick Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Mn gets cw too
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  33. Stevedore

    Stevedore Poo-Bah (3,832) Nov 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    CW BBS is a lot easier and cheaper to get than BCBS in WI where some of us are from. For most, rarity and cost make the experience of drinking a beer better; for me, if its a good beer then I appreciate being able to get it more easily.
  34. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Savant (953) Nov 13, 2008 Georgia
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    The CW BB Stout doesn't have the dark chocolate, roast, and body I want in an Imperial Stout, let alone one that can hold up to a bourbon barrel. BCBS is really on the opposite end of the spectrum - a bit too extreme for my tastes.
  35. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    FTFY. Almost blurted out loud laughing when I read the OP that the Central Waters BBS had "more body".
  36. ArchEnemyBrew

    ArchEnemyBrew Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2010 Washington

    So they beefed up the barrel treatment. Did they beef up the thin, watery, brown almost non existent base beer? This to me is the more important question to be asked.
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  37. n2185

    n2185 Poo-Bah (1,843) Apr 14, 2008 North Carolina
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    Since when does higher abv = more flavor? I agree that comparing beers with such a drastic difference is abv is a bit silly since they will certainly have different flavors, but abv and depth of flavor are by no means directly proportional. Every Cantillon beer I've had at 5-6% has had much more depth than the majority of bbal stouts I've had. Hell, I've had a 2.5% Berliner weisse with more flavor than DFH WWS.
  38. krl2112

    krl2112 Crusader (732) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    I have had quite a bit of both and "fresh" I absolutely like CW much more. With age, BCBS is amazing.
  39. nickapalooza86

    nickapalooza86 Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2010 Wisconsin

    Right.... Also NG fruit beers are 4% with loads of flavor... I was using it in context to the beers and style being discussed, so Cantillon has nothing to do with it.
  40. Daemose

    Daemose Devotee (426) Oct 3, 2011 Texas
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    BCBS tasted like straight up booze when I had it.
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