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Discussion in 'Midwest' started by islay, Jan 2, 2020.
If they don't, that's alot of taxes and mortgage being paid on a large, empty space.
Sorry, I'll sit out now. Just frustrating. Carry on!
It does come on the heels.of the employees voting to unionize. That and acombination of lost revenue with high overhead to be open, thats hard to sustain I look for them to open again April/May of 2021.
Surly's Beer Hall is a large beer-centered restaurant. It is much different from smaller brewery's taproom in size, overhead, sources of revenue, and number of employees.
The Beer Hall is at a disadvantage compared to other restaurants. Because Surly is a brewery, MN law forbade them from selling beer to go, even though their restaurant competition could.
And (an assumption on my part), Surly's Beer Hall provided a larger percentage of the company's revenue and profits than the taprooms of other similar sized breweries in MN. Surly seemed to distribute only their flagship beers while having a large and diverse collection of taproom only beers.
Their statement says at this point, the Beer Hall is a major financial drain on the company.
I wonder if they will now ramp up the variety of beers they package and put into distribution?
What I find odd is the long lead time to closing - 2 months!
Perhaps that is weather related. But that would indicate they are at least making some money so long as they can seat people outside.
Most likely 60 days notice,due to layoffs?
That's sure what it sounds like.
The optics of this make Surly look anti-Union. It's likely that the decision was made (as they say) weeks ago to close the beer hall, but why wait until November? By that time, it can be cold up here, and their patio/outside service will dry up (only costing them more money). Timing of this just comes across as odd.
I'm glad this group is discussing the Surly situation fairly and calmly. It seems the pitchforks are out on Twitter/Instagram....
Yes, me, too.
The timing is bad relative to the union issue, but lacking any facts other than the timing, I think it is unreasonable and unfair to accuse them of anything other than struggling under the COVID-19 edicts.
Besides, Twitter and Instagram ARE Torches and Pitchforks Nation.
City Pages, too:
If Surly had been planning on the closing for weeks, why still have job postings online?
The source of the accusations seems to be the union organizer.
The past would suggest people with that position tend to grandstand to the media.
If, indeed, Omar decided to shutter the Beer Hall two days after the employees informed him of their intent to seek union representation, then it is a poorly run business just on that basis alone, IMO. (i.e. closing a major part of the business operation as a knee-jerk reaction.)
IOW, I seriously doubt the decision to shutter the hall happened that fast. Omar's explanation makes more sense to me than the union organizer's accusations.
Generally when businesses decide to take action like layoffs, etc., the fact that the business is thinking of this is closely held to just a few people, while the rest of the business operations proceed normally.
This, alone, could explain the job postings, etc.
Such things must NOT EVER be allowed to leak until the decision is made and the announcement is ready.
Seems odd though they would bother posting on their social media about unions and then two days later just close it up. Why just say on monday to the union reps that they are closing it up instead of letting people think something was gonna change.
They are required to notify the Minnesota Department of Employment and Economic Development 60 days prior to the layoff.
Seems like the timing corresponds to this as well as just weather factors. I'm sure they are making some revenue from the beer hall being open, but as they said, down 80% is going to make profits unlikely. Maybe they can manage some expenses for the next two months and then reopen in the spring in a better situation. Sucks all around.
Update to an inquiry made by @BeerDrinkinGuy from last year’s thread in this topic:
Google notes that it is temporarily closed, but there is new content (photos) on the website, along with a 2020 copyright.
Their five year mission to transform the space is proceeding apace:
St. Croix Brewing, as we’ll recall, is part of the ever expanding Fytenburg family of breweries.
Luce Line Brewing in Plymouth has revised their Facebook page and posted OPENING IN FALL 2020.
Per MplsStPaul Magazine:
Down in Burnsville, Nutmeg Brewhouse has been sold, and is on its way to becoming Ineffable Brewing Co. Barbara and Richard Stein are the buyers, and Richard worked as a brewer at LTD in Hopkins. His mentor from LTD, Steve Larsen, taking the plunge with them as their head brewer. Look for an October opening.
Yeah they have a few pictures of developments on their instagram account.
Is this only project now because he had a little too many on his plate before which never came to fruition.
Not Minnesota but New Richmond Wisconsin 45th parallel distillery is going to start making selling their own beer. https://www.facebook.com/45thParallelDistillery/posts/3479683058721347
Revel Brewing in Park Rapids is now open.
Foremost in Owatonna has it's brewing equipment in the building.
Hard to know for sure. He’s always up to something.
The websites for his other breweries all got a lick of digital paint and the © 2020, too (I suppose he had some spare time to gussy-up his sites during COVID-19):
Sylvan Brewing in Lanesboro is opening at some point this fall. They have been updating their progress on their Facebook Page. This will be the 4th Brewery/Brewpub in Fillmore County, which has a population of just over 21,000 people. The other 3 Breweries/BrewPubs are Karst in Fountain, PawPrint in Chatfield, and Trout City in Preston.
Since some folks don’t do the book of face:
I was in Hackensack this week at Rendezvous Brewing in my quest to go to all the breweries in MN (4 left). the beertender told me about a brewery starting up in Jenkins, MN which is north of Pequot Lakes. I Googled it and found that Snarky Loon Brewing is in planning for Spring of 2021. This is an additional brewery in the Brainard Lakes area.
Oh man....that trip North to the cabin is getting longer and longer every year. Cheers!
We demand a comprehensive list of favorites/likes/dislikes ETC ETC
Seriously though, that's impressive as hell.
South x SouthEast Minnesota Brewing Company in Pine Island, MN has opened its tap room. I went there today to check it out and they have a nice tap room and two outside areas for seating. I tried several beers and liked both the IPA and the Oktoberfest beers best.
What did you think of Rendezvous? Nice to have in Hack but below average overall I thought and $12 crowlers?
I had a flight and liked "Hopmazing" which is a NEIPA, the best. It's the style I'm liking right now. There was nothing wrong with the others, but they didn't stick out as exceptional.
I didn't check on Crowlers but $12 is too high.
I tried three. The neipa was ok, ESB was lacking maltiness and hop bitterness. The cream ale was terrible.
Roundhouse Brewing has now opened their tap room in Nisswa. They closed the one in Brainard per their website.
I think they wanted to keep the other one open too but these pesky MN liquor laws wouldn't allow it.
Actual new breweries opening in MN news in a global pandemic !
Arbetier Brewing in Minneapolis have 6 new beers in their tanks including an Alt beer and session hazy .
No opening date yet but it’s got to be soon.
Ineffable Brewing Company will open in Burnsville in mid-October.
Bricksworth Beer in Burnsville is opening soon - what the hell is going on in Burnsville ?
As this is from the Blackstack family I’d expect good beers out of the gate . They also released a new collaboration beer with Blackstack this week called “Side of Ranch” a beer for pizza !
It says the Bricksworth space has capacity for 400 people so post pandemic this could be a big draw for Burnsville.
Amanogawa Brewing Co. - Twin Cities 2021
These guys have been brewing amazing beers at St. Paul’s The Lab and have finished their final pilot brew there and are now planning a nano brewery somewhere in the Twin cities.
Do you think they'll make any hazy IPAs?
It is now a requirement by the Brewers Associations that a minimum of 22% of beers on a brewery's tap list must by hazy IPAs.
They had a Hazy IPA, hoppy blonde, coconut stout and cans of their Lager collab with Blackstack when I stopped there last week. All were drinking really well, especially for the first batches of them on that equipment.
Burnsville and everything “south of the river“ has been lacking for decades, so there’s finally some live going on for the area.
Looks like their soft opening is today:
Looks like pizza only. I see no reference to their beer. Is this correct?