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Great Britain Brewing and water treatment in 1872

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Sundnes, May 2, 2012.

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  1. Sundnes

    Sundnes Initiate (0) May 2, 2012

    I am writing a book about the Norwegian-American William Copeland who became a beer pioneer in Japan in the 1870-ies. In 1872 he went to UK, probably London, but maybe other towns as well to learn more about brewing. It's impossible to find out where he actually went. But could anyone help me with suggesting places, people, breweries he might have visited to to learn the latest and best of British brewing at the time? He also got hold of a bottle of bisulphate of calcium/lime to harden the water on the same journey to England. Is it possible to suggest where he got it or to name other breweries who used this to treat the water at the time? He also got some kind of a pamphlet for the same kind of treatment from "a well known chemist in England": Dr. Daighton. Could he be traced? Any attempts to answer anything of this would be highly appreciated.
  2. Aye

    Aye Aspirant (239) Jul 21, 2011 United Kingdom (England)

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  3. Gold89

    Gold89 Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2010 United Kingdom (England)

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  4. Sundnes

    Sundnes Initiate (0) May 2, 2012

    Thank you very much! Glad to see that the forum works, for me as well. I will keep you updated!
  5. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (622) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    The obvious places, other than London, would be Burton and Edinburgh.

    As for who would be using water treatment, anyone trying to brew Burton-style Pale Ale without the right type of water. Which, seeing as few places have that water in Britain, that could be just about anywhere, including London.

    Not heard of Dr. Daighton.
  6. Sundnes

    Sundnes Initiate (0) May 2, 2012

    Makes sense. Thank you!
  7. Sundnes

    Sundnes Initiate (0) May 2, 2012

    One more thing, but I suppose it doesn't make anything easier at all: 16.th of Apry 1880 W.Ellis. Esqr. London was sent a letter from William Copeland in Japan. I know that the brewer the autumn before had received corks and taps from the same, and that he had ordered Bales beer corks, Bale quarts and Bale pints from the same W. Ellis earlier the same year. Just in case anyone is familiar with the name of Ellis.
  8. CwrwAmByth

    CwrwAmByth Poo-Bah (1,721) Jan 24, 2011 United Kingdom (England)

    Only in terms of Rugby :stuck_out_tongue:
  9. Sundnes

    Sundnes Initiate (0) May 2, 2012

    :slight_smile: At least we keep the link to 1872.
  10. mikeg

    mikeg Initiate (0) May 22, 2012

    I wonder if Sundnes has come across the name Edgar Abbott in his research. I am trying to write something about him because of his sporting prowess. He father was a famous brewer in the UK (but went bankrupt around 18861) and Edgar lived in Japan from 1870 to his death in 1890. In 1885 he set up Japan Brewery with J Dodds and took over Copeland's site in Yamate. It is their company that became Kirin Brewery. Foreign community in Yokohama was very small in 1870 and I feel there must have been some connection between these two guys.
    I understand a lot of Copeland's letters apparently survive and I wonder if the name Abbott appears in them. Edgar's old address used to be the Brewery, Bow in London famous for its IPA. Copeland may have visited that brewery......
  11. Sundnes

    Sundnes Initiate (0) May 2, 2012

    Oops, for some reason I didn't see the last posting before something else must have taken all attention for a while.
    The mentioning of Edgar Abbott is very interesting, it must somehow be the Hodgson brewery? I haven't found Mr Abbott in my research before, but I've had a long break concerning Japan. I know that Wilson Walker also was involved in establishing the Japan Brewery, but I suppose that dosen't help you. It migh be too late anyhow, but I will watch out. He might be mentioned among other people who are buried at the Foreign Cemetery in Yokohama.
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