Bruery: Cuir vs. Coton vs. Papier

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  1. FozzieThaBurr

    FozzieThaBurr Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2013

    A favorite bar that I frequently patronize recently acquired a couple of bottles of each of these. They are in the mid-$30 range, which is generally far more than I would pay for a beer, but I'm considering splitting one with a friend tonight. Can anyone shed light on them? I know they're all retired Bruery Old Ales that clock in at 14.5%. Has anyone tried all of them? Particular recommendation?

    I don't believe any of them are the 100% bal version. Thanks.
  2. QuadrantThree

    QuadrantThree Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2011 California
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    location of bar?
  3. SpdKilz

    SpdKilz Meyvn (1,359) Jan 8, 2009 Illinois
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    That is a steal price wise for all three of them, especially Papier (seeing as when they were sold they are between 25-30+ in a store).

    I would personally rank them Cuir, Coton, and then Papier. However, as far as rarity goes, Papier at a mid $30 in a bar is something I would readily pay.
  4. salzar

    salzar Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2008 California

    I too would rank them Cuir>Coton>Papier, because this is a solera blend. $20 was the retail price of the non-bal. The last coton I had was a shell of its former self, and nothing compared to the BA version
  5. salzar

    salzar Initiate (0) Dec 27, 2008 California

    Also, I think $30 bocks a bottle at a bar is very reasonable, now if you can find 9 people to split the vertical you will be set(maybe buzzed).
  6. crusian

    crusian Crusader (755) May 14, 2010 Oregon
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    had the cuir a couple times and thought it tasted like leather. bad. coton was great when it came out. not sure why the difference though.
    never had papier. I would def. pony it up.
  7. monkeymagic72

    monkeymagic72 Initiate (165) Jan 20, 2010 California
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    Papier has not aged well. Unless you want it for rarity's sake, I'd go with Cuir.
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  8. FozzieThaBurr

    FozzieThaBurr Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2013

    Thanks for the tips. The bar is Lord Hobo, my favorite bar in Cambridge. I live a couple of blocks away, so I'm there pretty regularly.

    They posted a pic of the bottles on their FB page around EBF, so I don't know if they're still available. I went there the day they came in and my server wasn't sure of the exact price, said he believed they were in the mid-30's. Still not sure if I'm going to pull the trigger on one of these bad boys.
  9. Rosty

    Rosty Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2006 California
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    The regular papier definitely did not age well. The Coton was my favorite of the bunch. To bad they are not the BA versions. But try the Papier as it might have been cellared properly and taste excellent.
  10. RacerX5k

    RacerX5k Disciple (355) Feb 11, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    Last year I paid $22 for Cuir, at that time the most $ I had spent on a beer. Was it good? Yes. Great? No. Forgettable? Yes. Just another one and done, i had no interest in the series after the one.

    If you ask me, your money is better spent on something unforgettable, go get yourself a bourbon county. But hey, it's your money. $30 is way high, I get tired of hearing "it's a bar".

    I recently saw Brooklyn Black Ops listed at a "bar" for $75. that's not a typo, $75. When I questioned the manager, his reply was "we aged it 2 years, and I'll drink it myself if I have to". This bar also lists Weyerbacher Tiny (sells in Wegemans for $8) for $30 I think? Yes, Tiny. There's other egregious listings at this "bar".

    I say it's Johhny come lately's like this who give craft and business in general a bad name. Now everyone jump up and down to tell me $75 Black Ops is OK.
  11. FozzieThaBurr

    FozzieThaBurr Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2013

    This place is as legit as it gets. I trust that the beer has been well cellared. Also, their bottles are always reasonably priced for bar prices and, considering the offerings, are often more than fair.
  12. GrindFatherBob

    GrindFatherBob Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2010 New York

    Lord Hobo is the best bar I've ever been to. I'm pretty sure they got those straight from the Bruery so I'm sure they've been cellared properly.

    BREWSnTATTOOS Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2012 Florida

    Fruet Mmmmmmm so yummy.
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  14. RacerX5k

    RacerX5k Disciple (355) Feb 11, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    I'll look up the Fruet. Thanks.
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  15. Carbon14

    Carbon14 Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2009 Maryland

    Fruet will be better than all of them if you can get it.
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  16. luwak

    luwak Aspirant (269) Mar 2, 2010 Arizona
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    I had Cuir and BA Cuir last year..both awesome. Fruet blows them both away.
    Never had Papier or Coton
    But i'd pay $35 for any of them at a bar..
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  17. Carbon14

    Carbon14 Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2009 Maryland

    Sadly, Cuir, Coton, and Papier will mostly be of rarity value at this point. The anniversary series will only be made in 100% BA versions from now on which will be far superior to the partially BA versions of the first three years. Also, the Solera method is finally taking hold. Fruet > all of the other versions; even the 100% BA ones. Bois (5th anniversary) and so forth will continue to get better and better (I think).
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  18. vacax

    vacax Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2008 California
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    Yeah I don't even bother with the non-BA versions, so just spend your $30 on a Fruet.
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  19. Fujii13

    Fujii13 Aspirant (206) Apr 27, 2011 New York
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    The entire series just gets better with every year. I drank Cuir vs Fruet about 3 days apart and Fruet was hands down the better beer.
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  20. wyatt

    wyatt Aspirant (263) Nov 18, 2009 Louisiana
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    Fine internet. You got me. I'll open my Fruet this weekend.
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  21. litheum94

    litheum94 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2008 California

    You won't go wrong with any of them. What are you doing the next three nights? Sounds like a great chance to try them all, especially at that price.
  22. krl2112

    krl2112 Crusader (738) Nov 10, 2012 Illinois
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    You should ask the manager what entails aging it for 2 yrs outside of putting it in a dark and cool basement!?!? Then give him a big smirk and tell him to bite you!!!
  23. FriarTuckInLuck

    FriarTuckInLuck Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2011 Arizona

    This man speaks the truth!
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  24. Matty_Monster

    Matty_Monster Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2013 California

  25. DrewShal9

    DrewShal9 Initiate (0) May 18, 2011 Massachusetts

    Never had papier but have a bottle that I believe is non BA. Think it's not aging well at all? Might have to crack this one open then.....
  26. Carbon14

    Carbon14 Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2009 Maryland

    In case anyone is confused, the "non-BA" versions are actually 25% BA blended with 75% non-ba.
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  27. Rizalini

    Rizalini Zealot (537) Jan 20, 2011 Nevada
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    I say scissors over papier wins all day!
  28. ShanePB

    ShanePB Poo-Bah (1,663) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    I loved that bar when I visited last summer with my friends. Cambridge Brewing Co. was kick ass too. Great area.
  29. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Meyvn (1,248) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    I wasn't a big fan of Cuir or Coton. Haven't had Papier but reviews would say go with it.
  30. HopsintheSack

    HopsintheSack Devotee (452) Apr 17, 2012 California
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    Cuir is good, Fruet is great. I saw a ton of Fruet for 30 a bottle before I had tried it and thought it was too steep. Once I tried it, I was kicking myself for not buying a few.

    Have not tried the other two.
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  31. Rosty

    Rosty Initiate (0) Nov 29, 2006 California
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    I had it on keg at the RS party last year in February and it tasted a lot like papier. Maybe that was the idea! Then I had it again from the bottle and a BA version around the end of the year RS party. Both tasted a lot better then the one I had. So it might have just been one keg that got oxidized. But you might want to think about a nice event soon and pop it.
  32. doobliebop

    doobliebop Initiate (71) Dec 24, 2010 Colorado
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    I haven't heard this. On the RS site, it says this year's releases are:
    Bois aged in rye whiskey barrels *
    bois aged in brandy barrels *
    bois aged in new american oak barrels #4 toast *

    * = RS only
  33. Carbon14

    Carbon14 Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2009 Maryland

    Those are all 100% BA.
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  34. Sammy

    Sammy Poo-Bah (12,401) Dec 1, 2003 Ontario (Canada)
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    On the surface, it looks like all 3 beers are nearly identical recipes. Its only listed as one on that other site.
  35. ajzy

    ajzy Devotee (458) Jun 15, 2011 Wisconsin
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  36. mdfb79

    mdfb79 Poo-Bah (4,946) Jan 11, 2010 New York
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    Just out of curiosity, where did you hear this?

    It makes sense the 3 variations of Bois would be 100% BA'd, but how do you know the "normal" Bois that will 100% BA'd too?

    Just wondering if I missed someone or you're just making an assumption because last year's "normal" version was 100% BA'd.
  37. fujindemon74

    fujindemon74 Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 Pennsylvania

  38. RDMII

    RDMII Disciple (360) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    I have the Coton, Cuir, and Fruet sitting in my cellar (I've had Fruet and love it), I've been wanting to wait until Bois but I think putting down all four in a night might kill me. And no, I'm not sharing these with anyone. I'm too selfish with Bruery stuff. :slight_smile:

    So if I found any of them at a bar, especially Papier, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger. Having never even seen Papier I want to try it at least once. Online prices are typically double that so $30 is more than fair at a bar I think.
  39. peteinSD

    peteinSD Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2010 California

    skip the coton - yuck.
  40. Squatchito

    Squatchito Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2007 Virginia

    I thought the exact same thing.
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