CA Growler Law Revisions?

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by thome50, Jun 3, 2012.

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  1. thome50

    thome50 Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2006 California

    I know this topic comes up once a quarter or so but I had a question that I've never seemingly gotten answered here or in research into the law. I recently moved and came across a growler I had gotten at Yard House back in the Fall of 2003. (Costa Mesa location)


    Hard to see in the picture but it's branded with Yard House's name and information and the various government alcohol warnings as any other current growler has. A blurb about sanitizing the growler before reusing and the address of Yard House's corporate office in Irvine.

    It also has this on the handle:


    They had business card sized inserts into the plastic sleeve that listed the beer, brewery, address and phone number of brewery and the alcohol percentage of the beer.

    Having looked online and various threads here this seems to meet the requirements of the current growler laws in the state of California. Any reason this wouldn't still qualify for fills if someone/some bar was to simply buy generic growlers and do this card idea?

    I also have no idea if Yard House even fills growlers anymore. I haven't been to one in several years with the offerings now days being much better.
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  2. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    Interesting. That's what's needed though. I have 40 freaking growlers, it's so dumb. CA is the land of "oh we are so green and don't waste anything! " Ok - then make a universal growler legal to fill ANYWHERE.
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  3. jlt6116

    jlt6116 Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2009 California

    I went to a brewery where they just put a sticker on the growler covering the other brewery's name. Seemed that worked for them.
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  4. SHODriver

    SHODriver Pooh-Bah (2,291) Aug 13, 2010 North Carolina

    you do understand that that would make sense, which is not allowed in government or legislation anymore?
  5. tjensen3618

    tjensen3618 Savant (1,225) Mar 23, 2008 California

    There was a bunch of good info on the other forums...

    Some of the things I remember/learned.
    1.) You have to be a brewer to legally fill growlers and can only fill with your own beer; what Yardhouse was doing is illegal.
    2.) A sticker or hangtag on a blank growler would work, but you'd have to have a blank growler, and you'd have to convince the brewers to get on board with this, which would potentially hurt their overpriced growler sales.
    3.) There was an effort to get a "Brewed in California" growler made, allowing you to have that one growler and filling it at any brewer in the state. I don't think the brewers liked that idea and it was shot down.
  6. grilledsquid

    grilledsquid Initiate (0) Jul 10, 2009 California

    I'm curious which brewers were opposed to this idea. I think most of the breweries I've been to sold growlers at an ok price, but there's one LA area brewery that sells their glass for $20 and I was pretty put off by this.
  7. thome50

    thome50 Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2006 California

    Regarding 1), I wondered about this but Yard House is a pretty big establishment. I really doubt they were oblivious to the law even though craft beer was still in a relatively young state here in the US at that point. My question was if this law changed since 2003 and I've yet to hear an answer to that.

    2) This is what I feel is really what is putting a big road block in the way of a universal growler. Even the breweries that sell glass for $5 are still making a profit. Hard to convince a company to stop selling something that is making them money and I don't totally fault them for it.

    3) Signed this petition but doubted it would ever have legs as this community is too small and the issue fairly trivial in this chaotic state. I do believe that Patrick Rue from Bruery would like to spearhead such an initiative, as rumors on other threads have stated, but I'm still not convinced he has enough pull to make this happen in the next few years, let alone months. (All the best thought!)
  8. tjensen3618

    tjensen3618 Savant (1,225) Mar 23, 2008 California

    If I remember correctly BA misterclean was in the process, or had actually had legislation written for a new growler law.
    He or somebody else came on BA and said that there was very little support from either the brewer's or associated trade groups (Brewers Association?).
    Of course this is all going off of memory about a year ago or more, so take it with a grain of salt.
  9. litheum94

    litheum94 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2008 California

    I have always thought that this would be the obvious way around our stupid growler laws, but haven't come across a brewery yet that does this. Unless they're unique, I don't need to buy a new damn growler for every brewery I visit.
  10. MisterClean

    MisterClean Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2008 California

    BP&C 25200:

    25200. All beer sold in this State shall have a label affixed to the package or container thereof, upon which shall appear the true and correct name and address of the manufacturer of the beer, and also the true and correct name of the bottler of the beer if other than the manufacturer. No manufacturer, importer, or wholesaler of
    beer shall use a container or carton as a package or container of a
    beer other than such beer as is manufactured by the manufacturer
    whose name or brand of beer appears upon the container or carton, or
    use as a package or container of a beer a container or carton which
    bears the name of a manufacturer of beer or the brand of any beer
    other than those of the manufacturer of the beer contained in the
    container or carton.

    As long as it has the manufacturer's name and the place that filled the growler, it's all kosher according to state law. They've been thinking of using smart codes too.
  11. stupac2

    stupac2 Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2011 California

    I was always pretty sure that the "must be brewery-branded glass" thing was bullshit. I wish the breweries would drop the crap and accept other growlers.
  12. MisterClean

    MisterClean Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2008 California

    I feel you. At Port you can have their growlers filled at any location. Then again, it has all three address locations on the freaking growler (at the time). I've also submitted some sample legislation, but it appears that our Legislature is more concerned with blueberry commissions and creating budgets that are not balanced, rather than signing legislation that would increase sales, create jobs, and add to the tax base all at the hands of the commercial craft brew industry. Go figure. :confused:
  13. stupac2

    stupac2 Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2011 California

    Well, to be fair, it might actually decrease employment marginally by resulting in fewer glass sales. However, the main reason for this change is because the current system is absolutely ridiculously retarded.
  14. MisterClean

    MisterClean Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2008 California

    You think so? I don't purchase growlers except on rare, rare occasions. I have maybe 5, and 2 were raffle prizes. If bars, pubs, etc. sold growlers, it would be a huge boon for the craft beer business, the amount of money raised through beer sold in California would offset glassware sales in a matter of days.
  15. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,883) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon

    I love growlers in theory but I only have 3 because it's not worth it to have a collection of stuff that can only be used once or twice. There's no reason breweries can't figure this out, and I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to. There are some exception though, I just went to a new local brewery and their growler was blank but they print out nice big hang tags with their logo, address and the fill. Wish more places did this, but also wish the laws would change so I could go get fills at local bars too, then I'd be set all the time...
  16. shawnrocker

    shawnrocker Initiate (0) May 1, 2012

    I like Jim's, from Lightning Brewery, take on CAs growler laws. He prints stick on labels, just like the ones you find on tons of beers in the store (ie Budweiser), and just sticks the appropriate label on whatever growler you bring in. He just slaps it on top of the printed other-brewery's label on the growler then puts a rubber band around it in case it doesn't stick. I've read the CA growler law and don't understand why everybody else doesn't adopt that policy - it completely complies with the law and I don't end up with a million growlers, for which I have and thank Jim for having 1 less. Plus their Elemental Pilsner is not a bad beer at all.
  17. stupac2

    stupac2 Initiate (0) Feb 22, 2011 California

    It's hard to tell. I mean, how many people are there like you who would end up buying more fills? And when you buy more fills does that add to your total beer consumption, or do you buy fewer bottles? Are the bottles you buy from in-state or out-of-state? Did you buy them in CA bottleshops? All of those things will matter to whether or not you spend more money (plus the thing I pointed out before with dudes who have lots of glass, they stop buying glass, do they buy more beer to compensate?).

    Anyway, since we're in a mini-depression right now I totally get why everyone wants to link everything to jobs, but there are plenty of things that may or may not end up making jobs that are good ideas for other reasons. If you want to make jobs, we should burn down the thicket of pointless occupational licensing that only rewards incumbents at the expense of customers/new starts. (At the state level, at the national level there are a lot of much better things to do, like repair/improve our crumbling infrastructure. But hey, it's not like we can borrow at negative real rates right now, making doing something like that actually a positive investment even if it has a 1:1 economic return (and in reality it's more). Frustrating.)
  18. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I love the brewers who have $24 growlers like Hess. Just kidding.
  19. 01Ryan10

    01Ryan10 Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2011 California

    I thought the reason for Brewery specific growlers is for traceablility? For legal reasons, the beer needs to be traced back to the brewer that filled the growler right? I'm not sure how the Brauler will circumvent this.
  20. FunkyMacGroovin

    FunkyMacGroovin Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2009 California

    Right now I'd be content if you could refill a brewery-branded growler with their beer at offsite locations. ISO Whole Foods growler fills.
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