News Calfkiller Brewing Co. accused of keg theft, goes off on Facebook

Discussion in 'Beer News & Releases' started by beertunes, May 5, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (4,628) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
    Beer Trader

    Just saw this on FB: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=356551441067914&id=106217596101301. Never heard of Calfkiller Brewing, but I'm now ISO. http://www.calfkillerbeer.com

     
  2. libbey

    libbey Initiate (0) May 18, 2008 British Indian Ocean Territory

    Pretty sweet rant hope it works out for Calfkiller

    ....Speaking of stealing… “King of Beers” they stole that from a German beer company many many moons ago.

    ha.
     
  3. Rback

    Rback Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2012 New York

    That's it I'm returning those 5 kegs of Busch lite just as soon as I can
     
    Swim424 likes this.
  4. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,095) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    Supporter Subscriber Beer Trader

    Which German brewery did they steal it from?
     
    LiquidTable, jesskidden and Chaz like this.
  5. digita7693

    digita7693 Disciple (394) Jan 19, 2010 Germany
    Beer Trader

    I think he is referencing a certain Czech brewery by the name of Budweiser whose slogan is "the beer of kings".
     
  6. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,095) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    Supporter Subscriber Beer Trader

    Sorry, I thought Beer of Kings was a Tuborg slogan.
     
  7. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (4,628) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
    Beer Trader

  8. Zimbo

    Zimbo Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2010 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    A lesson for all you BMC/macro defenders on this site. Shit beer, shit attitude, bullying shit people.
    Going to have to get me some Calfkiller beer. And I've been looking for a perfect beer match for my home made t-bone veal cutlets for years too. Talk about timing.
     
  9. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,254) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    its ironic after decades of litigation they (BBNP) are in a marketing alliance with AB
     
  10. digita7693

    digita7693 Disciple (394) Jan 19, 2010 Germany
    Beer Trader

    No need to be sorry for being wrong:slight_smile:

    It is a long history thing, the beers from Budejovice were called "beer of kings", the area was known in Germany as Budweis.
    I remember when I studied abroad there in 97 that the slogan was around and on bottles quite often. Apparently, not 100% on this, more recently budweiser (american) won a law suit over that as well. So Budweiser from Czech is called Czechvar outside of Czech and cannot use "beer of kings"

    can find lots of info on the good ole net, oxford companion to beer, google books etc...
    I remember during my MBA we did a case study on Budweiser (czech) and Budweiser (american), interesting stuff. spoiler alert: the big guy with all the money wins
     
    AleWatcher likes this.
  11. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,010) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
    Industry Beer Trader

    Budweiser Buergerbraeu formed an alliance with AB, not Budějovický Budvar. Buergerbraeu also holds rights to the Budweiser name, apparently, which is why AB formed an alliance with them: to put extra pressure on Budějovický Budvar (which markets their beer as Czechvar in the US). More reason to be pissed at AB....
     
  12. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,095) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    Supporter Subscriber Beer Trader

    Here's an article that backs you up:

    http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-1056-the_king_of_beers_vs_the_beer_of_kings.html

    Re Tuborg, I see on the web that's it's slogan was The Beer of Danish Kings. I don't remember seeing "Danish" on the label back in the 70s and I thought it was a direct shot at Bud.
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,248) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
    Subscriber

    I believe gatornation is referring to this back in 2007:

    Czechvar Beer to Gain Access to Anheuser-Busch’s Marketing, Sales Resources and Wholesaler Network

    ___
    Czechvar is imported by the AB-I "Import Brands Alliance" division in the US, and in most markets is distributed through the A-B wholesale distribution network.
     
    Chaz likes this.
  14. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,010) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
    Industry Beer Trader

    Got ya. Thought he was referring to the more recent (more despicable) "alliance" I referred to.
     
  15. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,254) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    You are correct and BTW Czechvar is very good
     
  16. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,095) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    Supporter Subscriber Beer Trader

    I had a 1L glass of Budvar after my high school graduation in a beer garden in Vienna Austria back in June of 1969.
     
    gatornation and libbey like this.
  17. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma

    Too cool. I had a quart of Coors and some Mad Dog 20/20 in the back seat of a Chrysler, after mine in '71.
     
  18. TheGordianKnot

    TheGordianKnot Initiate (81) Apr 2, 2010 Tennessee

    Anyone genuinely ISO Calfkiller, let me know... They are draft only, but I think Trail Mix Ale, Wizard Sauce, and Serio's Ole Devil Ass are available for growler fills at this time., maybe Recluse Brown also... I could check if you send me a BM offering tasty locals (or of course DL '12 is welcome also :wink:)
     
  19. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,254) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
    Beer Trader

    Now that's a HS graduation celebration Wow nice!
     
  20. LiquidTable

    LiquidTable Initiate (0) May 3, 2011 Michigan

    This has gone WAY OT, but to the OP, this is ironic, considering I have photos documenting kegs owned by MIP Brewing in MI that were retagged with Bud logos (which means they were refilled and resold) that MIP had to BUY BACK from a reclamation company...
     
    mschofield likes this.
  21. Swim424

    Swim424 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2011 Florida

    I hope bud loses this one.
    I may drink their beer occasionally but I do not agree with their company morals one bit. That goes for miller coors as well.
     
  22. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,248) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
    Subscriber

    but that's not what the rant actually says:

    "After researching, and talking with St. Louis. St. Louis said "we know nothing about this". Calfkiller figured as much. Plus after 5 phone calls not returned it was pretty obvious it was on the local scale, and the So Called "King of Beers" had little if anything to do with it."

    The problem is apparently with the independent AB houses in TN.
     
    beertunes likes this.
  23. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,179) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    This ain't a beer story this is a "this is how businesses in America co-exist while battling each other in pursuit of market dominance, and while praying to the all forgiving dual gods of greed and capitalism" story.
     
  24. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,494) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Subscriber

    I've updated the title of the post.
     
  25. Fulkrum78

    Fulkrum78 Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2008 Tennessee

    The distributor in question is apparently AB of Clarksville, TN. From what I hear (thirdhand), the distributor claims the kegs are stolen because they aren't etched as void over the AB logos. Apparently some other stuff being spread around, but not gonna get into that.

    That being said, a friend who has met the Sergio brothers (and is in the beer biz) speaks quite highly of them.
     
  26. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (4,628) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
    Beer Trader

    Yeah, I know. I'm just willing to piss in ABI's pocket when I can. And still, it's an ABI representative, and well.......
     
    libbey likes this.
  27. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,095) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
    Supporter Subscriber Beer Trader

  28. shlager

    shlager Initiate (0) May 11, 2012

    AB never sells used kegs. The brothers unknowingly (?) bought stolen kegs from someone. In brewing as in life - "I didn't know they were stolen when I bought them" is not a defense. Small guy, big guy...my stuff is my stuff. If someone steals it and sells it to you - it's still my stuff. When it has my name on it - you're kind of asking for trouble...
     
    GregorVance likes this.
  29. drtth

    drtth Poo-Bah (3,019) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Interesting that nobody suggested this explanation before now. Too many people like to jump to conclusions without considering all the possibilities.
     
  30. TheGordianKnot

    TheGordianKnot Initiate (81) Apr 2, 2010 Tennessee

  31. GregorVance

    GregorVance Initiate (0) Jul 8, 2011 New York

    A lesson for all you BMC/macro bashers on this site: just because a craft brewery does or says something about BMC doesn't automatically make it true. This, as acknowledged above, is not a case of bullying. Cooperage is a HUGE expense for everyone in the industry, AB included, and Calfkiller has the right to purchase kegs second-hand. But when AB publicly acknowledges that they do not sell any kegs to third parties for anything other than scrap, then Calfkiller did not do their due diligence. I am sure it is just an oversight, as they were focused on making great beer. But again, rationality in responding. As Joe Maddon says, 'Nothing is ever as bad as it seems, nothing is ever as good as it seems.'
     
    Norica likes this.
  32. Zimbo

    Zimbo Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2010 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    Always happy to bash BMC when the opportunity arises. Otherwise its like trying to defend the mafia or Halliburton.
    Anyway, we're here to advocate quality beer not promote companies who push mediocrity and marketing.
     
    jmw likes this.
  33. GregorVance

    GregorVance Initiate (0) Jul 8, 2011 New York

    Aaaaand there is the rationality aspect. AB makes yellow water for profit. The mafia and Haliburton kill people in order to make a profit. Slight difference in MO's.
     
  34. Zimbo

    Zimbo Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2010 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    Just a bit of the old hyperbole to spice things up. Yellow water (and lifestyle marketing) for profit indeed.
     
  35. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,248) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
    Subscriber

    KentT, drtth, Norica and 2 others like this.
  36. shlager

    shlager Initiate (0) May 11, 2012

    BBD reports that there are incidents of Craft Brewers stealing kegs from other (larger) Craft Brewers. It's a big deal within the industry folks. Size does not matter (in this case anyway!).

    Another craft brewer told BBD:

    "There's a certain preciousness with a few upstart breweries -- not all mind you -- where they think that just because they're small, against the man, and use cool local ingredients farmed at a co-op, that they are somehow exempt from common standards of law and morality. The fact is, you buy a keg with another brewer's name on it, the chances are it was probably stolen at some point in the supply chain, usually at retail. If brewers quit buying these kegs, there would be no market for them and the theft would diminish. If you as a 'small cool brewer' are comfortable with stealing cooperage from another brewer, then I don't think you're as cool as you think you are."
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  • About Us

    Founded in Boston in 1996, BeerAdvocate (BA) is your go-to resource for beer powered by an independent community of enthusiasts and professionals dedicated to supporting and promoting better beer.

    Learn More
  • Our Community

    Comprised of consumers and industry professionals, many of whom started as members of this site, our community is one of the oldest, largest, and most respected beer communities online.
  • Our Events

    Since 2003 we've hosted over 60 world-class beer festivals to bring awareness to independent brewers and educate attendees.
  • Our Magazine

    Support uncompromising beer advocacy and award-winning, independent journalism with a print subscription to BeerAdvocate magazine.