California Wild Ales

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by ClippersSD, Jan 13, 2016.

  1. ClippersSD

    ClippersSD Aspirant (208) Jul 17, 2013 California
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    Does anyone know about these guys?

    Our Story
    California Wild Ales would like to thank you for your support and encouragement over the past year. We are so excited to begin this journey with you.

    California Wild Ales was born out of our love of funky, sour beers. Having grown tired of the hop wars, we set our sights on producing something new while using old world brewing techniques.

    Become a Founding Member
    We are proud to announce the inaugural sign up period for our Membership club, The Funky Bunch. We are excited to bring you this collection of limited, special release beers that we have been working on. These beers will be brewed in very limited batches, so as a member you will usually be the only ones to receive our Special Reserve Wild Ales

    Join the Funky Bunch
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    Twelve .375 ML bottles of limited, special release beer.

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    First rights to purchase any extra membership bottles.
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    First rights to purchase any regular release bottles.
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    Founding Members Glassware

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    Founding Member T-Shirt

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    Bottle release events fully catered with gourmet food pairings

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  2. Xtent

    Xtent Aspirant (221) Jan 16, 2013 California
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    Follow them on Instagram, still waiting to try some of their beers.
     
  3. Coldstorage

    Coldstorage Disciple (351) Oct 1, 2014 California
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    $200 for 12 splits makes this one of the most expensive clubs yet. Anyone taste anything yet?
     
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  4. kbenson

    kbenson Aspirant (209) Aug 15, 2012 Texas
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    I'm going to take a chance with them....because I'm crazy. Any of you haters want to be my trustee! :slight_smile:
     
  5. Xtent

    Xtent Aspirant (221) Jan 16, 2013 California
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    Will not be joining this club upon learning who is behind it.

    *Buyers beware
     
  6. SDReaper

    SDReaper Zealot (555) Aug 15, 2013 California
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    Assuming that they got the place they were after they are right down the road from me in Sorrento Valley. I think their warehouse is a couple blocks from new English.
     
  7. Djc410

    Djc410 Initiate (176) May 9, 2015 California
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    anyone know where in SD they're located?
     
  8. kbenson

    kbenson Aspirant (209) Aug 15, 2012 Texas
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    Let's do this!!!! chemann14 and Coldstorage are missing a prime chance to bitch about another beer club with us! :slight_smile:
     
  9. kbenson

    kbenson Aspirant (209) Aug 15, 2012 Texas
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  10. Xtent

    Xtent Aspirant (221) Jan 16, 2013 California
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    Not sure if posting names is okay or not.
    Go to their website and look at their about page, Google the name of their "Head blender and Co founder"
    He has scammed people in the past.
     
  11. Xul

    Xul Crusader (768) May 18, 2008 California

    No ABC License for that address yet, nor under the business name, and they just created their LLC five weeks ago. Interesting. I know they've been doing free tastings of homebrew and the blender/barrel guy has made some rather interesting comments in a Facebook group.

    I guess if people will back Casa Agria and Dionysus, they'll probably back these guys too, but the trend of sour-centric breweries starting clubs before they even have their licensing in order, let alone beer aging in barrels, is not something I'd consider a positive.
     
  12. kbenson

    kbenson Aspirant (209) Aug 15, 2012 Texas
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    In what context has he scammed people?
     
  13. Sober_Drinker

    Sober_Drinker Initiate (18) Mar 13, 2015 California
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  14. Coldstorage

    Coldstorage Disciple (351) Oct 1, 2014 California
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    Christ.

    http://chefcameronpryor.blogspot.com/

    It's not like I don't believe in second chances but maybe after his first colossal crowd sourcing failure (fraud?) he should try developing a business models that involves brewing beer before taking peoples money.
     
  15. Black_Rider

    Black_Rider Zealot (509) Mar 26, 2013 California
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    I'm not sure who I fault more. Him for scamming people at Burning Man, or people going to Burning Man
     
  16. ac24

    ac24 Initiate (178) Nov 17, 2014 California
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    That's a pretty big red flag. Good luck if you join.
     
  17. kbenson

    kbenson Aspirant (209) Aug 15, 2012 Texas
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    Yuck. I just cancelled the charge with my CC company. What a bummer.
     
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  18. SDReaper

    SDReaper Zealot (555) Aug 15, 2013 California
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    I was wrong on the location, that is about a mile from New English. Conveniently if they do open and have a tasting room I will have another place to drive to after work while I wait for traffic to die down.
     
  19. Saxmusik45

    Saxmusik45 Aspirant (260) Nov 18, 2011 California
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    After reading the story about this guy taking money and then never fulfilling orders, I would never consider paying up front for a membership when they don't have a license or product even close to being already in process. There's nothing to stop this guy from doing another "take the money and run".
     
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  20. SUBER

    SUBER Aspirant (251) Jan 26, 2013 California
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    Scamming the hipsters is one thing, but scamming the hippies?
    No Bueno.
     
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  21. ryno09

    ryno09 Initiate (177) May 1, 2010 California

    Yep, AVOID! Give your money to another brewery making sour beer.
     
  22. CJNAPS

    CJNAPS Savant (979) Nov 3, 2013 California
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    Interested, but i would have to have tired some of their beers first.
     
  23. Rollzroyce21

    Rollzroyce21 Meyvn (1,028) Oct 24, 2009 California
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    I kinda hope they fail simply due to the lackluster name of the brewery
     
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  24. Telly13

    Telly13 Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 California
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    Did anyone notice they changed it from 12 375 to now 10 750?
     
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  25. ryno09

    ryno09 Initiate (177) May 1, 2010 California

    Greasy. :wink:
     
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  26. Xul

    Xul Crusader (768) May 18, 2008 California

    They also removed the word "donation" from the membership page and reworded several things, and they're deleting comments on their Facebook page of people who bring up Cameron's past issues with crowdfunding/advance sales (they must not be familiar with the Streisand effect). At best, they're disorganized and lacking a solid plan.
     
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  27. SDReaper

    SDReaper Zealot (555) Aug 15, 2013 California
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    I had a chat with Zack last night pointing out this thread just to give him a heads up. He was not super thrilled.
     
  28. Coldstorage

    Coldstorage Disciple (351) Oct 1, 2014 California
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    Holy hell, they just dropped their price from $1.31 per oz to $.78 per oz? That type of recklessness really speaks to their experience (or lack thereof) in a business environment. Would love to get a look at their business plan... oh wait I guess that's the nice thing about using your customers for loans instead of a bank... less red tape. (and no interest on the loan, and no accountability, and no risk, and...)

    I seriously hate living in the crowd sourcing era of business.
     
  29. walterfredo

    walterfredo Aspirant (262) Nov 22, 2011 California
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    Even if this brewery wasn't backed by owners with previous shady business dealings, who the fuck would blindly give $$ to a brewery that has no license and has never produced a drop of beer for public consumption. A fool and their money...
     
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  30. SDReaper

    SDReaper Zealot (555) Aug 15, 2013 California
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    Ask those ppl that went with Dionysus and CASA. Granted some ppl received samples but willing to bet that the majority of those that signed up did so blindly.
     
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  31. Keyser

    Keyser Initiate (164) Jan 27, 2015 California
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    How many releases could they even have in 2016 if they currently cannot legally produce/sell beer?
     
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  32. Xul

    Xul Crusader (768) May 18, 2008 California

    If they're going to open a blendery rather than a brewery, where are they producing wort?

    Have they announced any expected dates to begin delivering beer? Any sort of projected timeline for construction, licensing, etc.?

    I don't really care about the answers per se, since there's 0% chance I'm going to join, but they're so short on details that I can't help but wonder if they've even written any of this stuff down or if they're just spitballing ideas.

    If you're adjusting your business plan based on the suggestion of Facebook beer groups, you're well and truly fucked.

    This whole chain started with The Rare Barrel (at least around here, J Wakefield is a beast unto itself) and each sour-centric club afterwards seems riskier and has more personal baggage than the last.
     
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  33. tyrsis

    tyrsis Disciple (321) Mar 13, 2009 California
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    New Money will probably keep these guys flush.
     
  34. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Aspirant (245) Aug 19, 2011 California
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    this. it seems like this will be yet another SD brewery making quick kettle soured beers and selling them as sour beer. thankfully a lot of us are armed with knowledge when it comes to styles and how they are produced and its unfortunate that they seem to think they can have sour beer in less than a years time with no license and no brewing as of yet.

    at least we have 120 more breweries to choose from. this is going to be very interesting to see what happens with them attached to someone who apparently already scammed people out of money before delivering previously. enjoy your memberships, folks
     
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  35. Tgilly

    Tgilly Initiate (70) Aug 8, 2013 California
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    I think the crowd sourcing business model can work when done right. If I'm not mistaken isn't that how Modern Times got partially started with their first league? Just seems like you should have people with experience in the brewing industry first, this guy was a "chef" / homebrewer. Transparency is key when asking for futures.
     
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  36. pinkgrenade

    pinkgrenade Aspirant (245) Aug 19, 2011 California
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    sooo does this guy have actual brewing experience that goes beyond homebrewing? has he been homebrewing long? anyone know anything about them that gives them actual credibility? i understand that you can enter the professional brewing world from many different levels but i would be more skeptical of someone trying to make sours without much under their belt. does anyone have any info beyond this dude is a chef that someone was so pissed at that they made a page about how much they dislike him?
     
  37. Xul

    Xul Crusader (768) May 18, 2008 California

    Modern Times had fully funded their core operation from other sources, the Kickstarter was funding enhancements and building excitement. Crowdfunding certainly can be used to good effect, but there needs to be some understanding of what it's funding - ie, whether the brewery will be functional without the crowdfunding money - and a brewery needs to be far enough along that there's a clear payoff in a short amount of time.
     
  38. UnknownKoger

    UnknownKoger Zealot (533) Jul 9, 2010 California

    was it known at the time of the Kickstarter that Mike Tonsmeire would be developing Modern Times's recipes? Because that would be a pretty big stamp of approval
     
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  39. Telly13

    Telly13 Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 California
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    Here in the Southbay CASA was in full marketing mode. They were frequently spotted at Beachwood, Smog, Phantom, and other shares showing what they had to offer. Most people that joined did know something ahead of time. But on the other hand you do have Libertine who is a mess at the moment.
     
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  40. Xul

    Xul Crusader (768) May 18, 2008 California

    Yes. Mike had been onboard for several months and Jacob already had a team (Matt, Alex, Derek) before he opened up the Kickstarter.
     
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