Cantillon Quandary

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  1. PuFtonLyfe

    PuFtonLyfe Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2011 North Carolina


    A buddy of mine told me that Cantillon Gueuze 100% Lambic is the exact same beer as Cantillon Gueuze 100% Lambic-Bio (Organic Gueuze), the only difference being that the one in the US can't be considred "organic" and has a different label and name. I know that this site classifies them as different beers all together (not just because of their names and labels). Can anyone enlighten me on this subject? Cheers!

     
  2. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,618) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    I too wonder this, as Cantillon lists them separate on their website as well. And we've seen both labels in the U.S. so while they might be the same recipe one has to wonder is organic and one is not? Otherwise why and how did both labels make it to the shelves in the U.S.?
     
  3. PALMEJ1

    PALMEJ1 Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2008 Alabama

    Same beer.
     
  4. Soonami

    Soonami Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Same beer. All the barley Jean uses is organic, I don't think all the fruit is
     
  5. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,618) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    So why does BA have two pages for them and not aliases?
     
  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Because the site admin. have decided to keep them as separate entries given the naming difference and the label differences.
     
  7. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,618) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    Name & label does not a different beer it make. Thus not warranting two ratings. It's contradictory and illogical, based on the logic for other beers with multiple names and labels.

    Looks like another case of "because the site admin decided X"
     
  8. deathcharms

    deathcharms Crusader (455) Jul 11, 2009 California

    It is easier to get organic status in Belgium than it is in the United States(and more fees I would imagine.) Same exact beer both are organic, he just can't "certify" it organic on his labels here.
     
  9. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,618) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    Yea, that's been stated, but that does not explain why both labels are on the shelves in the U.S. If he can't certify it as organic in the U.S. than how is beer under the Bio label being sold?
     
  10. cLin

    cLin Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2010 California

    For a second, I thought there was a new beer released called Cantillon Quandary.
     
  11. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    How does any limited-supply high-demand product end up being sold where it shouldn't be?
     
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  12. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    Same beer, I emailed Cantillon and asked them.
     
  13. LambicKing

    LambicKing Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    Actually the gueuze that's filtered by the Manneken Pis is so much better....more funk.
     
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  14. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,618) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    I'm just pointing out the contradiction of "can't sell it in U.S. as organic" yet clearly it's being "sold as organic" if the bio labels are on the shelves.

    Well then I don't see how BA has any leg to stand on having two ratings for the same exact beer.

    I mean seriously, one rating is a 92, the other is a 96/100 world-class rating. Apparently the different label makes the beer taste different, lol.
     
  15. PuFtonLyfe

    PuFtonLyfe Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2011 North Carolina

    Thanks for the answers guys (and maybe gals). I really just wanted to make sure that if I trade away my Classics and get some Bios I wouldn't be disappointed. Looks like I'm good to go. Or maybe the label really will make it taste different...
     
  16. CenCalMario

    CenCalMario Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2009 California

    I was here to post an impromptu ISO:FT - Cantiloon Quandary ... Damn!
     
  17. digita7693

    digita7693 Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2010 Germany

    Or simply different people have rated the 2 beers, there are myriad reasons for the discrepancy in the 2 scores, aside from the aforementioned possibility is the simple fact that such things are subjective.
    Moreover, who cares? :slight_smile:

    cheers
     
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  18. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    score discrepancy is from small sample size. also, lambic is a polarizing style of beer. also, there's a good chance that the people who try "organic" (ie mostly people in belgium) have tried more lambic.

    re: shelf hypocrisy, it's not hypocrisy; the organic bottles are obviously being sold illegally.

    re: BA's policy, i think they should be combined, but i'm sure there's more pressing issues to attend to (for example, pretty much any issue).
     
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  19. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    Pretty much said it. There are plenty of reasons why the scores would be different, especially considering they are sold in different markets. And any bio bottles you see on the shelf in the US have illegally bypassed commerce laws. Whatever, the scores aren't so different as to be glaringly odd.
     
  20. Prospero

    Prospero Pooh-Bah (2,618) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    Beer ratings shouldn't be based on where the beer is sold. Come on, if it's the same beer it should be the same rating.
     
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