Conical Fermenter question

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  1. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    Any homebrewers on here use conical fermenting vessels? My pops and I just investested in one and I'd like to hear some advice from those of you who have them. Pointers, tips, info, and perhaps even a video of you using it would be sweet. I've seen a couple videos but they weren't super detailed.

    Thanks!

    Kyle
     
  2. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,203) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    A conical is pretty much like any other fermenter except you can remove the excess hops, trub any other stuff that gets from the kettle to the fermenter. They still have to be cleaned, sanitized and kept at the proper temp for good tasting beer.
     
  3. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I bought a 14.3 gal conical, so I'm doing mostly 10 gallon batches now. The biggest problem is getting the beer from the kettle on the patio to the fermenter in the basement. Still haven't settled on a technique. Other than that, it's all good! Definitely in my top 5 list of best brewery upgrades.
     
  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,623) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    In additon. You can harvest yeast from the dump valve. If your batch has stalled, youi can blow the yeast off the bottom with CO2.
     
  5. carteravebrew

    carteravebrew Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2010 Colorado

    I've thought about this issue as well. Hoping to be doing 10-gallon batches soon and considered getting a conical, just not sure how I'd go from cooling to getting it to my basement where the conical would be. I've considered drilling holes in the kitchen floor to run tubing down to it. Also, maybe pouring a couple gallons at a time into a bucket and hauling that downstairs in a few trips until the wort is all in the conical. That would certainly aerate the wort a little more! The wheels are turning...
     
  6. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    The one we bought is a 14.5 as well so moving up to 10 gallon batches now. My plan is to whirlpool and chill as normal then pump directly from my kettle draw off into the dump valve on the conical. I'll have pre-pitched my yeast into the vessel thusly making a nice mixture of wort and yeast slurry. Another add on I think I will include is an attachment to the draw off hose where I can put a carb stone and air inlet connected directly to my oxygen tank so I can uniformly oxygenate the wort as I knock out.

    Has anyone fashioned together a homemade CIP ball (or bought one) for caustic and sanitary loop cleaning with use of a pump? I'd much rather do that than hand clean the thing.....yes I'm a bit lazy....work smarter not harder!!!
     
  7. MacNCheese

    MacNCheese Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2011 California

    All depends on how much money you want to spend. You can have a mini pro CIP brewery if you want to dump the cash. I have an older B3 12 gal conical that I need to buy an upright freezer for, and like everyone else, getting the chilled wort to it is my next main issue. They're pretty light as far as cleaning it out. The biggest benefit is no longer being confined to buckets/carboys and their capacity limitations.
     
  8. Gueuzedude

    Gueuzedude Pooh-Bah (2,842) Aug 21, 2003 Arizona
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    I have a 27 gallon conical, and I transfer chilled wort to it ~5 gal at a time. I use two 6 gal better bottles (light and easy to carry) to transfer with (one is filling with chilled wort, while the other is on its journey to the conical. Works well, and the fact that my brewing area is over 200ft from my fermentation area made that an easy decision.

    I've got the racking ports in my better bottles so it makes emptying them quite easy: turn them upside down & open up the valve to allow air flow in and lots of beer out of the neck.
     
  9. Gueuzedude

    Gueuzedude Pooh-Bah (2,842) Aug 21, 2003 Arizona
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    Additionally with all of the extra valves on a conical, I rigged up a torpedo (ala Sierra Nevada hop technique for the beer of the same name) using an industrial peristaltic pump, a hop rocket and some extra fittings. I can do multiple dry hop additions in a short amount of time with out having to worry about removing hops from the actual conical.
     
  10. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Just remember that temperature control is more troublesome if it doesn't come with a built-in unit.
     
  11. Gueuzedude

    Gueuzedude Pooh-Bah (2,842) Aug 21, 2003 Arizona
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    Why, most fit quite nicely in a fridge? I even have one that can pump chilled water through to cool down & it works quite nicely.

    Having said that, I do actually have a grossly inefficient, but so easy to use morebeer heated / cooled conical I have been using quite happily for years.
     
  12. antlerwrestler19

    antlerwrestler19 Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2010 Nebraska

    The conical that we bought is the 14gal heated and cooled from morebeer. I'd like to know, what do you mean by inefficient? Are you referring to the temperatures that you're actually able to reach or the energy that it eats up while attaining and maintaining your set temperatures? If I bought a product claiming that it is heated and cooled to within 1 degree of desired temp. and it can't actually hold that promise I'll be a bit upset haha.

    I see a few of you saying you have trouble getting your chilled wort to the vessel itself - this may be due to constraints of temperature control where you have to have your vessel in another room but I plan to ferment in the same garage that I brew in due to my ability to "precisely control temperature". That being said, I have it in my head that I can sanitize lines and draw off straight from the kettle (after whirlpooling and chilling) into these lines, through a pump, and directly into the fermentor. There is a blowoff tube that will be allowing excess pressure to be released from the internals of the vessel while allowing it to "knock out" or fill with wort. Is this a ridiculous idea or is it completely doable? Thoughts? Opinions?
     
  13. Gueuzedude

    Gueuzedude Pooh-Bah (2,842) Aug 21, 2003 Arizona
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    Electrically inefficient. Thermoelectric coolers are quite inefficient and use up a much larger amount of electricity to get the same amount of cooling as compared to a modified refrigerator.
     
  14. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    ...but are they up to the task? How will a thermoelectric cooler perform in my ~70F basement?
     
  15. Gueuzedude

    Gueuzedude Pooh-Bah (2,842) Aug 21, 2003 Arizona
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    Just fine. I use mine in ~80*F room through the summer. I can't lager, but I can usually cold crash to the 50s. You will have no problem maintaining down to cool Ale temperatures, perhaps even primary temps for lagering, but you won't likely be able to cold condition in it, but you really won't know till you put it to use.
     
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