Craft Beer at a Hotel Bar

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  1. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    So, for the past couple months I've been trying to push the restaurant/bar of the hotel I work at into the craft arena. So far all we've really done is become more friendly with the folk down at the Penn Brewery down in the city (I work around Pittsburgh, obv) but I want to expand as much as we really can, out of love of the hobby of course but also because I think we can get some nice business in the door by having beer dinners and so on. Now, keeping in mind that we only have two taps that will never be anything but Miller/Coors/Bud Light and Yuengling, what would you all consider at least a "decent" craft bottle selection if you rolled into a somewhat sizable hotel bar? Like, if you rolled up into a place like that and found, say, four or five beers from a half dozen or so pretty solid craft brewers (I'll say something like Penn Brewing, Troegs, Victory, Great Lakes, Full Pint, maybe even some Founders because we also want to try and stay regional) would that be appeasing to you? This would be on top of having some standard Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada product too. What say you all (and I appreciate the input)? Cheers...
     
  2. Beerverage

    Beerverage Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2010 North Carolina

    I would say stick to a few (10ish) crafty options 50/50 local and widely available. If you get to many labels in there is a good chance they would go stale. Unless you become the hotel known for craft beer and then people stay just for that reason.
     
  3. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    True. I could see that yeah. Our Penn product is moving alright so far it seems so I could see staleness becoming a concern. The othe side of it, though, is we don't offer much besides that so we don't really have a "beer list" but when the product is pushed we get solid pull on the stuff. If anything so want to have enough product so that we can make a list we can present and not be embarrassed about but not overextend outselves (and work with the limited space we have since we basically have one cooler we can chill, say, 50 cases in at a time).
     
  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    So if I sort through your list you'll have:

    1 Tap--Bud Lite or equivalent
    1 Tap--Yuengling Lager
    1 Tap--Sierra Nevada (I'd guess and/or recommend Pale Ale)
    1 Tap--Sam Adams (I'd guess Boston Lager or a rotating tap for their seasonals)

    And you want suggestions for the other 4-5 offerings:

    1 Tap rotating Penn Brewing beers unless over time customers display a clear preference for one over the rest
    1 Tap Victory Hop Devil IPA
    1 Tap Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold
    1 Tap Troegs Dreamweaver Wheat
    1 Tap Full Pint Chinookie IPA

    I'd also suggest you drop the idea of a tap for BMC lite, and have bottled versions available. In SEPA I've seen several places manage that quite successfully and the folks I know who drink BMC lite will be quite happy with either tap or bottle. If you do bag the BMC lite tap you could then replace it with Straub's American Light on tap, or do a rotation amongst Straub's beers. Seems to me as Straub's has a pretty strong and loyal following in your part of PA.
     
  5. rjniles

    rjniles Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2012 South Carolina

    Since you are in PA and IPAs are very trendy now, I would go with Victory HopDevil. SN Pale Ale for another tap.
     
  6. FEUO

    FEUO Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2012 Canada (ON)

    Very happy to roll into my Chicago hotel last week and find Matilda, Anti-Hero IPA, and a couple others on tap.
    They also had bottles of 90min and Delerium Tremens. Nice.
     
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  7. DHS1029

    DHS1029 Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Illinois

    I like your idea so far. For craft I think it's a good idea to start with a bottle selection that offers some of the better options like in this case Nugget Nectar should definitely be one of the offerings. I would say start locally first and offer selections from Troegs, Victory, and Penn Brewing, and see how the public responds to it. If its a favorable reception, then branch out from there and offer some regional brews etc.
     
  8. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    I'm confused. I took the OP as saying they have 2 taps, and is looking for bottle rec's be a use the 2 taps will always be swill. No?
     
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  9. Padraig

    Padraig Zealot (514) Jan 14, 2013 New York
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    I was in a Chicago hotel recently that had Two Brothers Domaine DuPage and not much else beyond the usual. I was more than happy with that though.

    I never expect much from hotels so anything is a bonus.
     
  10. joeebbs

    joeebbs Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I was in Pittsburgh this weekend staying at the Doubletree. I didn't have anything to drink from the restaurant but I did notice they had a Bell's Beer Dinner there. You might want to check out one of their beer dinners and see how well it goes over. Could be something you might want to incorporate at the hotel.

    In regards to bottle selection I would go with trying to be as local as you can. Great Lakes, Rivertown, Penn, Troegs etc. Victory can be had in many states so it wouldn't so special to someone from say California that a Troegs or Rivertown might be.
     
  11. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Grand Pooh-Bah (3,344) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia
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    I like my hotel bars to concentrate on local/regional beers. The assumption being that I don't live in the area and I would be looking to sample the local fare. For me its disappointing to walk into a hotel bar and not find something new to try (I at least want to have the option).

    I suggest the Penn Pilsner/Vienna Lager - a great beer and something you can use to turn on those who always default to BMC. This beer was quite the suprise the first time I had it at the Pittsburgh Airport (a long day with a nice beer surprise at the end). I have rcommended, with great success, this beer as well as the Devil's Backbone Vienna Lager to my BMC friends.
     
  12. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Like I previously posted (WHERE'd that go?!?), and agree with Sludgeman.
    Local Pils and Lagers, try to convert those that are stuck in their BMC rut.
     
  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    On re-reading it you're right.

    I read this "we only have two taps that will never be anything but Miller/Coors/Bud Light and Yuengling" to mean two of the taps would always be BMC and Yuengling rather than "we have only two taps."

    I think, however, if he drops my listing out of taps and in to bottles it will still work. Glad you caught that error.
     
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  14. LCB_Hostage

    LCB_Hostage Zealot (635) Jan 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I'm not sure you're likely to be successful converting anyone, especially in a hotel bar. I think the better approach is to cater to the guests who already have some knowledge/appreciation of good beer by introducing them (as other posters have suggested) to local offerings they may be unfamiliar with -- and including a selection of different styles. Maybe rotate in a way that you always have an IPA, a Porter or Stout, a Pils, etc, but not always the same beers from the same breweries. Troegs, Penn, Victory are all great PA options. On a more regional level, Great Lakes offers some outstanding selections. If you have decent Bell's or Founders distribution out there, those are other great options. I'm not a huge Terrapin (MD) fan myself, but they'd qualify as something people visiting Pittsburgh might not be familiar with. You could go all the way east to Joisy and bring in DFH, Flying Fish, etc, but those are pretty well known. Together with a couple SN/Sam Adams selections for those who want something familiar, you should make most beer-savvy travelers smile.

    Another suggestion -- if you do build a bit of a rep for offering better beer and your hotel does events, make that a selling point in your promotions for weddings, reunions, proms :slight_smile:, etc. Sometimes it's things like offering decent beer for your guests that can tip a decision.
     
  15. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,843) Jun 18, 2010 New York
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    If I'm reading it the same as the rest and you have 2 taps available for craft offerings, I'd suggest you go a couple of options that you know will appeal to most folks. Troegs Dreamweaver is a good fit, and I've seen Great Lakes Dortmunder Gold in hotel bars in Chicago & Cleveland. I'd be concenred about turning kegs regularly so sessionable styles are probably better. Personally, I'd be happy being in a hotel and seeing that there are *any* local craft options at the bar.
     
  16. bilboTbaggins

    bilboTbaggins Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Wisconsin

    I think its a great idea to bring craft into the hotel. My thoughts are to take small steps though. Get some stuff that will age well, and not a lot of it, just in case the idea is slow to catch on. There certainly is a market for craft just about anywhere, the trick is getting the market to come to you. Certainly a knowledgable bartender is a must. Someone who can get a BMC fan to try some craft. Maybe a little beer list on the website and see where things go. Start small and smart, thats my thoughts. Good Luck
     
  17. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,999) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I was at a Doubletree in Raleigh. NC recently and they had a couple of local craft options as well as a more widely distributed craft option in bottles and it seemed to get good traction from the crowd.

    They had Foothills Torch Pilsner, Carolina Pale Ale, Railhouse Mastiff Oatmeal Stout, Red Oak Amber, and Bells Two Hearted.
     
  18. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Yep. Two taps, they'll always be what they are: Some Light Adjunct and Yuengling (though, we are up for sale, so maybe if we get some really progressive new owners they may want to expand our operations across the board, but that's an entirely different thing). Basically I'm aiming at like 18-24 bottles or so as an offering because we only have so much cooler space to work with. So, essentially, if you rolled up into a hotel bar and saw a small craft beer list that looked something like this:

    Victory Brewing - Prima Pils, Hop Devil, maybe one of their seasonals that isn't super bold like Swing or Summer Love
    Troegs - Hopback Amber, Dreamweaver, possibly Perpetual
    Penn - we already carry their Dark, Pilsner and Weizen
    Great Lakes - Elliot Ness, Edmund Fitz, Dortmunder Gold
    and probably a couple brews from like Full Pint or Church Brew (some more local guys basically) or maybe even some of Founders' base lineup.

    What would you think of that?
     
  19. Trilogy31

    Trilogy31 Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2011 California

    I dont think you need two taps to be BMC always. I used to think that then soon realized if people want that they can just drink it out of the bottle and I have had no issues at my hotel bar. I started doing craft bottles only but soon realized that to hit my margin the price came off as too high and I wasn't moving much product, so I switched out all my draft BMC and went straight local craft and prices that were more palatable. Would I make more money off BMC? Of course, but I think I have given tourists something unique that you don't find normally in hotel bars. I say go craft everything and make your money on the hard stuff to offset your costs.
     
  20. HumphreyLee

    HumphreyLee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Pennsylvania

    Well, it's more a "hotel spec" than us feeling that's what has to be on tap. Though my GM has expressed interest in occasionally breaking from that spec to put a holiday seasonal up every so often. But the taps are basically reserved for product the hotel company knows they will move.
     
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