Cream ale tastes similar to wine

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  1. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    Brewed my first Cream Ale and it resembles a white wine, maybe a Pinot grigio with carbonation. I've never had a cream ale so I have nothing to compare it to.

    Here's my recipe:
    3-8 pilsner 2-row
    3-8 American 2-row
    1-0 flaked maize (TF)
    1-0 corn sugar

    0.50 oz Liberty 60 mins
    0.25 oz Magnum 45 mins (for target bitterness)
    0.50 oz Liberty FO

    Wyeast 1056
    Whirlfloc at 15 mins

    OG 1.049
    FG 1.012
    ABV 4.9%

    I transferred this beer to secondary after 2 weeks and kept it in secondary for 1.5 weeks. It was so clear I could read a book through my carboy. It is actually the first time 1056 has cleared this well for me. Ferm temps were in the 67-69 range.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. carteravebrew

    carteravebrew Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2010 Colorado

    Underpitch or old yeast, maybe? (Acetaldehyde)
    Maybe try lagering for awhile...?
     
  3. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    I pitched one package of wyeast. No starter. I pitched within 2 weeks of the "born on date."
     
  4. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    ´No starter´, i guess that´s the problem
     
  5. GoldenChild

    GoldenChild Pundit (843) Nov 18, 2009 Michigan

    I'm going with some type of infection. Cream ale taste similar to a American Lager Clean
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,363) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I respectfully disagree. A fresh (two weeks old) Activator Pack into an OG 1.049 beer should be OK based upon my personal homebrewing experience (assuming proper sanitation was observed).

    Cheers!
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Although the OP underpitched, I agree that the wine flavor probably did not result from that.
     
  8. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Underpitched? OG was 1.049. A single packet of US-05 can do that with both hands tied behind its back. FG was awfully high, though. That should have finished well under 1.010 even without the corn sugar, suggesting some kind of fermentation issue. What was the mash temp? How old was the yeast? How was it stored?
     
  9. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    1.049 to 1.012 is a 75.5% attenuation which fallls into the range listed for 1056 (73-77%). Even the high end of 77% would result in a FG of 1.011. Why do you say it should have finished well under 1.010?

    Mash temp was 152 in a preheated tun. If I remember correctly it fell to 151 by the end so pretty constant.

    I checked all of the dates on the yeast package at my LHBS and grabbed the youngest. Yeast was less than 2 weeks old when pitched. It was stored in a refrigerator at the LHBS and also refrigerated at my house. SmackPack swelled before pictching suggesting viability.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,055) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    OP used Wyeast 1056, not US-05. 'Same' strain, but different cell count.
     
  11. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    I tend to think of these as the same yeast. But you're right about the cell count. I would also not consider a single pack in 5 gallons of 1.049 beer to be underpitching, despite what MrMalty says (I suspect it assumes worst case conditions).
     
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  12. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Experience with US-05 (close enough). Indeed, I just kegged a Cream Ale that US-05 took from 1.063 to 1.000. Mash temp was 149. I used 3# flaked maize and 1# table sugar. This was a ten gallon batch. If I had known it was going to finish that low, I would have skipped the sugar.
    hmmm... sounds like you did everything right. Not sure what might be going on here. You said you've never had a Cream Ale. It seems unlikely, but maybe the dryness is simply confusing your taste buds?
     
  13. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    It could be that I just wasn't sure what to expect. I need to head to the beer store and find a commercial bottle to try. My wife loves it so maybe I'm my own worst critic.

    Thanks everyone.
     
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  14. epk

    epk Pundit (813) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    I suffer from the same problem.

    Pinot Grigio can have a tart fruit flavor so we could just go with saying it's acetaldehyde due to it being a bit young still. Give it another week. Do you plan on bottling?
     
  15. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    it's been in bottles for just over a week.
     
  16. epk

    epk Pundit (813) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Is that a typo? 1.000??
     
  17. epk

    epk Pundit (813) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    And was it from the bottle that you tasted them?
     
  18. tngolfer

    tngolfer Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2012 Tennessee

    Yes
     
  19. epk

    epk Pundit (813) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Now I'm definitely going to lean towards young beer (at least for now). Though carbonation may be complete, the refermentation can actually reintroduce acetaldehyde. 2-3 weeks to condition is recommended.
     
  20. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,409) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    No, that was not a typo. I routinely get US-05 to finish under 1.005-ish. I still haven't developed a good technique for setting a consistent mash temp, so it tends to end up low - frequently in the high 140's. That, combined with the sugar and absence of any Crystal malts was enough to dry the hell out of this beer. I wanted it dry, but i think I may have overdone it.
     
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