Dark fruit flavors in a barleywine. Where does it come from?

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  1. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    I recently had Victory Old Horizontal that I loved. Had a wonderful smell and a very strong presence of fruit in it, maybe cherries?

    I was wondering, does that perception of taste of "dark fruits" come from the malts, or the yeast? I am not looking to clone this beer, but I am wondering where that flavor does come from should I want to brew something similar. Any insight would be great. thanks.
     
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  2. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    I would say a lot of the dark fruits would come from the malts like Special B, C120, etc. But I wouldn't rule out some esters from the yeast lending its hand to that flavor as well.

    Edit: Victory's website doesn't help much in the way of malt bill info: Malt: Imported 2 row German malts
     
  3. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I will say I did a 2 gallon stout with special B and a tiny bit of that goes a long way.
     
  4. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Like others have said, Special B will give you tons of dark fruit - though I am not sure how many barleywines really use that.
     
  5. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    After a Barley Wine gets some age on it will develope some Sherry like flavors. Also I have had and made Barley Wine that had some dark malts and or crystal that will produce flavors in combination with the yeast of dark fruit.
     
  6. markdrinksbeer

    markdrinksbeer Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2013 Massachusetts

    How much did you use in your two gallon batch?
     
  7. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    maybe 1 oz. Final volume was probably about 1.7 tho. It was not the only dark malt, but I sure could taste it (that was my first usage, so it was pretty obvious to me). I'm letting that one mellow out a bit before I pop the last four bombers.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have never brewed a Barleywine but I get lots of dark fruit flavors from my homebrewed Belgian Strong Dark Ales. IMO, the dark fruit is from a combination of dark malts like Special B, dark Belgian candi sugar, Belgian Trappist type ale yeast strain and aging.

    I bolded the last item of “aging” since I think the oxidation process of the aforementioned aspects it what really bring the dark fruit flavors to prominence.

    If I were to homebrew a Barleywine where I want some prominent dark fruit flavors I would:

    · Use a healthy amount of dark malts (dark crystal malt)

    · A characterful English ale strain

    · Age the beer for at least a year before really consuming this beer

    Needless to say you should drink a few bottles before the 1 year mark but save the vast majority for 1 year and beyond.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Oxidation of malt compounds, some maybe from yeast esters oxidizing.
     
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  10. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Oxidation
     
  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    It's the heat...baby.

    Extended boil sho'does some amazing things to the wort.
     
  12. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    No. 3 invert sugar would be the source of dark fruit flavours in a British beer.
     
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  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Another vote for oxidation.
     
  14. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    1. fermentation character
    2. long boil mailliard/caramelization
    3. oxidation
     
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