Dark Horse Lambeak Wants Blood Orange...what's the deal?

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by Duff27, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. Duff27

    Duff27 Feb 10, 2010 Illinois
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    My group got together last week and had this and I think I was the only one who managed two sips. It tasted and smelled like straight nail polish remover. Now I normally like/love sours and wilds but this was just awful. Nearly 1200 reviews/hads and this has beer my worst beer experience. How Dark Horse could bottle this and sell it is baffling to me. I know it's like, my opinion man...but damn. We immediately had DH King of the Forest afterwards and that wasn't much better.

    Any other experiences with these beers?
    If not, what beer have you found unexpectedly horrible recently?
     
  2. Jspriest

    Jspriest Feb 9, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Sounds exactly like the general reaction to FFF Bully Guppy.
     
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  3. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Dark Horse has no business making sours, they are all pathetic acetic messes
     
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  4. egrace84

    egrace84 Mar 25, 2012 Illinois
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    I was part of the tasting group that experienced this living nightmare :( I absolutely love me some Dark Horse brews and just could'nt believe this one. If you are a reputable brewery and produce some amazing beers, then how the hell do you bottle and sell this disaster to your customers?... C'mon Dark Horse... you know better.
     
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  5. Naptown25rs

    Naptown25rs Apr 11, 2009 Indiana
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    Seems about on par with what I've heard from anyone that's tasted a DH sour... I've only tried the KotF, and I was far from impressed.
     
  6. egrace84

    egrace84 Mar 25, 2012 Illinois
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    Lambeak wants a refund... and taste buds back.
     
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  7. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    I opened a Raspberry Lambeek from 2010 and it was great. I agree the bottles they release this year at 4 elf were horrible, but it is overstatement to say all their sours are bad. Sahti was pretty damn good.
     
  8. Gonzoillini

    Gonzoillini Oct 15, 2008 Illinois

    Some are acetic (Aigre Plead jumps out), but the big problem this year was that almost every sour had some degree of acetone (from large to poisonous in the case of the Blood Orange Lambeak). Blood Orange Lambeak vs. Bully Guppy would be the poison beer showdown.

    Again the best part about the long wait to purchase bottled beers was the ability to try everything we were going to buy and saving a lot of money by skipping all the sours (except for Sour 3 Guys)

    Cheers!
     
  9. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    I think they just to taste them before and not release the shitty ones.
     
  10. Tnudish

    Tnudish Feb 16, 2012 Wisconsin

    Raspberry was the only one I considered decent. The peach was awful and I wasn't really a fan of the whiskey tuna.
     
  11. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    Amen to that.
     
  12. weatherdog

    weatherdog Nov 7, 2007 Illinois

    Luckily I have not not had this years lambeaks, but I thought the Sour 3 Guys tasted like sour soy sauce. I shudder to think of the possibility that the lambeaks were worse than Bully Guppy.
     
  13. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    I opened an Aigre the morning of Haymarket's anniversary party with 4 friends and none of us got an acetone flavor at all. Perhaps there was a bad barrel?
     
  14. Gonzoillini

    Gonzoillini Oct 15, 2008 Illinois

    The aigre we tried at 4Elf was one of the only sours (along with 3 Guys) that didn't exhibit acetone flavors, but it was acetic (vinegar) to a point. I thought it was ok, but skipped on purchasing bottles.

    Cheers!
     
  15. crossovert

    crossovert Mar 29, 2009 Illinois

    sour 3 guys was an acetone bomb.
     
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  16. beesy

    beesy Jul 21, 2010 Ohio
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    Idk - I was planning on buying a bottle before I tasted it on tap. Yikes - fingernail polish is an understatement. The dragon fruit i had was much better imho.
     
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  17. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    I thought the Aiger was pretty good at 4 elf.
     
  18. ChefBergo

    ChefBergo Nov 9, 2011 Illinois

    Someone we were chilling with at the Four Elf party ordered one of the Lambeak's took two sips and passed to the rest of the group...all we could manage was a sniff, that's all it took to realize it was a complete mess.
     
  19. steebo777

    steebo777 Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    This is the correct answer.
     
  20. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    I cracked one on New Years Eve... It, Umm, hopefully needs some time. Border line undrinkable. I know MichiBrew opened one of his too, and he sent me a text shortly after stating "Sour guy is undrinkable, bleh"
     
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  21. burica2020

    burica2020 Nov 17, 2009 Illinois

    ahhh this topic lives again..... long live the midwest "sour." I think everyone had the same experience at the party of one guy in line buying one of beers being sold in bottles, it then being sampled by a large group and it then not being bought everyone who tried it. Wonder if the brite tank or something got jacked up by some wild yeast and that crap infected every single "sour" they were bottling/kegging.
     
  22. yeahnatenelson

    yeahnatenelson Feb 8, 2010 Illinois
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    I couldn't help but notice at 4elf that all of the barrels in the barrel room had dry airlocks in their bungs. Probable culprit?
     
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  23. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    The acetone smell is ethyl acetate, which yeast make. At high levels it smells like acetone. It is a sign of a major quality issue, poor yeast management. if the air locks were dry, the O2 might be the problem.

    Had tasted 3 different DH beers in 750s at a gathering. All had the all solvent smell and were dumped. Instant headache beer. We all lost respect for DH they day. These beers should have kissed the sewer at the brewery.
     
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  24. Duff27

    Duff27 Feb 10, 2010 Illinois
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    I guess my biggest question is why were they released, and taking a step further released at a premium price, given the known QC issues with them. Surely it was sampled before bottling, right?
     
  25. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    This is exactly how I felt. Very disappointing that DH would release these beers at all. Either they didnt try them, or tried them and released them anyways. Either way, much respect was lost that day. I will never buy anything from them without trying it first.
     
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  26. JohnfromPurdue

    JohnfromPurdue Apr 27, 2009 Wisconsin
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    Let's be honest, if you bought any of these it is your fault. Minus maybe the first few people in line, you had plenty of time to try any beer you wanted. As soon as one of the Lambeaks hit my lips I knew I was saving money that day. That said DH still should have drain pour this before it hit the public.
     
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  27. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    So Dark Horse bears no responsibility for it?
     
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  28. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    I heard the same thing from the same person, but i don't know that anyone at DH tried it so I personally cant say for sure. I like to assume it was they didn't try it before. More than likely it was they tried it and released it anyways, which is way worse in my book.
     
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  29. northernbrews

    northernbrews Apr 12, 2006 Michigan
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    I love alot of the stuff Dark Horse puts out but this will make me second guess buying some of their bottles in the future.

    The fact that they bottled "sour" Plead the 5th and 3 Guys, which arguably are two of the best examples of their styles I've ever tried, just doesn't seem right. Sure doesn't seem like they intentionally soured these but tried the end product and figured someone would buy them instead of dumping thousands of $ down the drain. And if they did intentionally sour these, then why gamble with a proven winner?

    I know I couldn't see Bell's releasing Sour Expedition for example.
     
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  30. JohnfromPurdue

    JohnfromPurdue Apr 27, 2009 Wisconsin
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    If you read my whole post you will notice that I said DH should have never bottled them. Seriously though, most people waited many hours before they bought their bottles. At that point it is on you.
     
  31. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    I did read the whole thing. What if someone actually paid attention to the sign that said if you got out of line for bottles, you lost your spot? What if someone couldnt drink 1 of everything? What if they couldnt drink at all for some reason and just came to buy bottles to go? What about the people at the front of the line that didnt get to try before they bought? I could keep going. Just because you got to try before you purchased doesnt mean everyone was in the same situation.
     
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  32. Duff27

    Duff27 Feb 10, 2010 Illinois
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    In my situation the beers were bought for a friend who could not attend. Normally I'd agree with you in the case of everyone has different tastes for different styles but I don't feel this is a case of a beer not being up to someone's liking, it was awful and undrinkable.
     
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  33. burica2020

    burica2020 Nov 17, 2009 Illinois

    granted you had a spare 28 bucks to spend (and wanted to try those instead of the other 20 awesome beers on tap) or didn't mind sharing germs with your neighboring beer aficionados who were trying them. Some poor version of Howard Hughes/Mendel I saw shaking in the corner, I think he was in a bubble.

    And what if your section of the line all had cold sores and they we're asking you to sample what then became known lambeek wants herpes.
     
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  34. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    All of these are very good points, and were tossed around our little "group" at the event as well. We had heard the stories of the Lambeaks being acetone bombs the night before while enjoying some pizza at the pub, so sure as shit, in the first hour or two while waiting I made sure to try the ones that were available on tap (including Aigre)...
    Something was definitely off, even if you just nosed these beers, you didn't have to actually let them hit your lips, although all it would take was a quick sip and it was apparent. I'm not sure how they could have released these beers, and I hate to say it, but I'm with the ones that are saying they may did more damage by releasing this product then by drain pouring it...Maybe the lack of negative feedback from last years BB Perk and King of the Forest, they said the hell with it, lets release em, make the money. I really don't know. Ive never purchased a four or six pack from the store, and had any issues with that, so it just makes me wonder...Were these sours "good" to them, so they released them? Lots of questions.
     
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  35. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    Freaking doomsday preacher over here, holly cripes.
     
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  36. burica2020

    burica2020 Nov 17, 2009 Illinois

    [​IMG] "I'm just asking questions"
     
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  37. JohnfromPurdue

    JohnfromPurdue Apr 27, 2009 Wisconsin
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    Yes, I agree there are always exceptions. Most people, even those towards the front of the line, were waiting for hours with plenty of time to taste beers. Most people didn't come alone or knew someone to share beers with. Therefore, for most people, if they bought a bottle it was their own fault. My comment was obviously a flippant suggestion not dogma.

    Why would anyone think they couldn't get back in line even if there was a sign posted contrary to that? We all had numbered tokens and the only person keeping track of the line was the employee collecting the tokens at the front.
     
  38. sarcastro

    sarcastro Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    There was a sign that said you couldn't get out of line or you lost your spot. I cant tell you the logic behind the sign, because it was lost on me.
     
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  39. northernbrews

    northernbrews Apr 12, 2006 Michigan
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    Why would someone stop at a stop sign when there's a big red sign that says STOP. Clearly its just there for decoration.

    I wasn't at the release so not sure exactly what the sign exactly said or how things were handled but why even put up a sign "if you get out of line you will lose your spot" if that wasn't being enforced? Seems like it added alot more confusion and had a negative affect on those that "followed the rules".
     
  40. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    This gives me more respect for breweries with great QA/QC.
     
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