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Dark Lord Day 2012 Rule Changes

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by Lansman, Mar 2, 2012.

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  1. sacullen

    sacullen Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2008 Illinois

    If you guys were set up near the entrance, I was ready to pee on you just to get you to scatter. You made getting a cup of beer more difficult than it needed to be. The thing is, at DLD, you CAN go back to your car! We did it all day long. We would all get two beers from the taps and then drink in one of the business parking lots. When lines were long at the guest taps, we brought in bottles with us to drink while we were in line. I was sharing all day long. At one point, I was jumping into the bottle line to give friends some of the guest taps I had just bought. People are cool if you're not a dick. Setting up a camp feet from the entrance/exit is no different from assclowns who take one step off an escalator and stop to look around.
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  2. Lansman

    Lansman Aspirant (239) Mar 19, 2011 Missouri
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    Great replies and appreciate all the fantastic insight. As someone who lives in Chicago and frequents the brewery on a monthly basis, it's great to hear the diversity of opinions and observations to those who have been to all the FFF events and also frequent the brewery far more than I do.

    So to sum up the feelings of the community:
    1) The lack of the ability to bring in chairs isn't that big a deal, it crowds up the parking lot too much, and people should just take the chairs back to their car once the line starts to move.
    2) Large coolers should be banned based on the huge space they take up. Medium coolers maybe, but in any event, just bring an insulated backpack or something similar and things will be fine.
    3) It is apparent that just about everyone hopes that bottle allocation for DLD 12 is run the same as 2011.
    4) Selling tickets at the brewery itself would be a big plus to thank the locals and frequent visitors of FFF, but it seems like that is not likely to happen.
    5) Community is split a little with regard to trading - some think you should do it in line (IMO, this is a bit difficult logistically unless you are literally walking the line and calling out what you have to trade if you want to deal with people who are not in your immediate vicinity), while others think that a small backpack with bottles to trade is more than enough for the day.
    6) It is what it is and while it may not be how it was in the past, there are good reasons for why the changes were made, and without a doubt, everyone just wants the event to run smoothly.
    7) You need to get there at 8 PM on April 27 this year to secure your spot inside the parking lot. :stuck_out_tongue:

    Thanks again everyone.
  3. warbird07

    warbird07 Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2009 Michigan

    Whew, not us...we were more towards the middle...I made 3-4 trips to my car last year. I just hope they still allow it...for the record we started out as 3, but the ring kind of grew out of control...cheers
  4. aasher

    aasher Poo-Bah (2,568) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    I know beer isn't the end all be all but I treated it like I would have treated a concert. Tickets were $35 each after shipping so I didn't risk it. I requested the day off well in advance and cleared my schedule accordingly.
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  5. jale

    jale Initiate (0) Oct 17, 2009 Michigan

    Not to offend anyone but, those of you that wear backpacks that contain enough stuff to equal another person need to be respectful of others. At the XV event there was limited space and people wearing huge backpacks added to the congestion. A backpack limits the space to walk by people. Its an 8 hour event, leave the damn backpacks in your car. There is nothing so important that people need a 50 pound backpack for. Sorry if I piss someone off, but wake up!
  6. TapeDeck

    TapeDeck Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2011 Illinois

    I almost CERTAINLY shared a few brews with you. The line was by far the best part of the day.
  7. Dcv

    Dcv Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2009 Michigan

    I skipped last years Dark Lord day, and I think I am going to also skip this years Dark Lord day. I have never been to the Short's brew pub, and the anniversary party sounds like a good first time to go.
  8. stevefinny

    stevefinny Initiate (0) Aug 28, 2009 New Jersey
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    I hope the website doesn't crash when i buy tickets
  9. LusciousJackson

    LusciousJackson Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2009 Illinois
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    If I give you a pour from whatever growler is in that backpack, would that make it up to you? :slight_smile:
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  10. jale

    jale Initiate (0) Oct 17, 2009 Michigan

    Well maybe.
  11. robwestcott

    robwestcott Meyvn (1,090) Nov 3, 2008 Indiana
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    i cant go this year - but if i could, i'd not only be wearing a backpack, i'd be encouraging everyone else to wear one also. i dont care if its congested. i'm not going to DLD to be comfortable, or to eat reasonably priced gourmet food. i'm going (or i would be going) to drink great beer from random people's backpacks whom i dont know but who are willing to pour me a taster of rum barrel hunahpu's, or kate, or 07 dark lord, or IST, or rare... you get the idea.

    oh yeah, and i'd get to bring some DL home too.
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  12. Roeters

    Roeters Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2007 Michigan

    I just like being able to bring a wheel dolly after having a few beers and buying a few cases it is too much to carry them back to the car
  13. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,451) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    I've actually started counting my position in line when I arrive at events such as these. I take that number, add 10% for people ahead of me who may be in restrooms, grabbing something from the car, etc. and then write it down. Approximately 5 minutes before the start of the event I count off that many heads and re-enter the line at the exact same position.
  14. fvernon

    fvernon Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2010 Wisconsin

    hey rob, good chance i'm heading up... if you get yourself a ticket i'll bring the goods back here for ya
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  15. dvelcich

    dvelcich Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2008 Illinois

    This was the ONLY thing done better at XV imo.
  16. raymo55

    raymo55 Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2011 Michigan
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    I made a comment on FFFs facebook page about the reason behind how they have some much hype surrounding their beer is because of the beek geeks and the name on the bottle...and not because of the quality of the beer (sacasticlly) ....and I was blocked from their FB page! HAHA

    But I totally agree.....a brewpub doesn't become bigtime without their locals support!!
  17. PlinytheFarter

    PlinytheFarter Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2011 Illinois

    If you can't plan to make it early perhaps you shouldn't plan to go? Leave the ticket for someone who can and would have had a better time...
  18. ObeMaltKinobee

    ObeMaltKinobee Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2010 Illinois

    I'm going to find you and just follow.
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  19. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio
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    I was at the brewpub once and this dude complained about Three Floyds and how they run their events, and out of nowhere a screeching guitar sound filled the room and a giant eagle with a viking riding it came down and took the guy into a black vortex. While it was frightening, I must admit it was metal as f***.
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  20. BrewmasterNate

    BrewmasterNate Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2010 Illinois

    I seem to fall in between both sides of this. I've attended Dark Lord Days and the XV Party and the 2011 DLD was by far the best run of the lot (Groupings for bottles was huge plus). The one common theme I see for those who had fun @ the XV Party was "well we planned ahead", "we got there early", "we made sure we'd get in right away", "you should have arrived sooner". The fact that none of these supporters seem to understand is that if EVERYONE got there earlier, the same amount of people would not have gotten in until several hours in to the event. The problem was not that people didn't arrive earlier, it is that they couldn't accomodate the crowd with the way they decided to run this specific event. If 500 people showed up earlier than many of you, let me guarantee you, you would not have had a good time either. Is this going to get to a point where people need to start showing up at 3am? The fact of the matter is, a large majority were unable to enjoy the event and if everyone showed up earlier, this would not help anyone as a same percentage of the group would not have enjoyed the party. The only thing they should use from XV is the no coolers/chairs as I agree the congestion it caused is not worth the convenience.
  21. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,451) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    The line-cutters certainly aren't going to call me out, and on the rare occasion an original line member does say something I just explain what I'm doing and encourage him or her to do likewise. Just because you're getting bent over a table by line-cutters doesn't mean I'm going to sit there and take it too...
  22. nozferatu46

    nozferatu46 Initiate (142) Mar 24, 2008 Indiana

    I skipped last years, and will skip this years. Its gotten too big, and last time I went I got my beer and left. Just isn't fun (for me) anymore. Rather than complain that it isn't like the past years where I could do just about anything, and still walk around... I just don't go.
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  23. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    Coolers allowed outside the fenced area? Thinking of just hanging out outside the grounds and trading for a bottle from someone willing to stand in line.
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  24. TapeDeck

    TapeDeck Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2011 Illinois

    Whether or not they allow coolers outside the fence, there will be coolers, chairs, and grills. Some people will get there and line up before most of the staff does. Just don't whimper when they tell you that you can't bring it in.
  25. bpgpitt10

    bpgpitt10 Aspirant (287) May 12, 2008 District of Columbia
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    I get your logic here... but there is zero chance I would let this fly if you jumped directly in front of me.

    Say something to the people jumping in the line instead of taking the approach of finding a solution that provides "fairness" to only you. And just so we are clear here... if everyone took your approach, their would be a freaking riot at the brewery so that's not realistic to go around telling everyone to do this just because you are.
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  26. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,451) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    You think it's realistic for me to police the entire line in front of me? If I'm 100th in line when I first arrive I certainly can't keep track of all the line-cutting that is happening all the way up at the front. Why should I get fucked over because people 70 spots in front of me are too lazy/passive to speak up? I'm only able to practically monitor my immediate surroundings.

    If you (and everyone else out there) do your part and prevent the line-cutting going on in front of you, then I won't be forced to re-assert my original spot in the queue. If you are a) a line-cutter, or b) enable line-cutters then I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to impose my own 'fair' solution - I don't have much other recourse do I?

    Actually - a riot is a good outcome. It would probably force the brewery to institute a policy that actually makes sense and doesn't rely on drunk assholes to self-organize.
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  27. AgentZero

    AgentZero Poo-Bah (2,336) Jul 19, 2009 Illinois
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    I don't think they said anything about banning cattle prods. My spot in line will be safe.
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  28. antoines15

    antoines15 Disciple (383) Dec 14, 2008 Indiana
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    I am now expecting a riot at the KBS release Saturday. With the way releases have been going lately, I'm sure it will be a shit-show.
  29. elephantrider

    elephantrider Initiate (92) Mar 25, 2011 Michigan

    Ya wanna stop it from being a shit show? Get everyone around you in line in agreement to not allow line cutting and call out anyone who tries to. It is possible to police ourselves but people need to grow a pair and do something about it. I will call anyone out that I see cutting there. I am getting there too damn early to have some jackwagon show up hours after me and just waltz into line.
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  30. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (480) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
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    that or carry a big BA with you.
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  31. antoines15

    antoines15 Disciple (383) Dec 14, 2008 Indiana
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    I will be in line early with about 6 other large gentlemen so calling people out won't be a problem for our group, but it still happens every year.
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  32. ObeMaltKinobee

    ObeMaltKinobee Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2010 Illinois

    I totally agree it is a great idea. Lets bust some skulls to set an example. That is if you are willing to do the skullbusting. I'm a smaller guy and would surely get my my skull busted. But seriously lets do this.
  33. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Meyvn (1,247) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Willing to contract out my services for a reasonable fee...
  34. AlexHouston

    AlexHouston Initiate (161) May 19, 2011 Illinois
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    In all seriousness though, people should be calling out line cutters at events like this, especially things like Darkness and Hunahpu Day, which I'm going to this week. If you think for a second I'm flying down for a beer festival and letting some jerks cut me in line and taking what I've waited longer to get without causing a scene, you don't know me very well. As matter of fact, I plan on talking to those around me about this very issue, trying to make sure we keep a fair playing field as evenly possible.
  35. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    No, I'm not giving you a ZJ.
  36. Wseitz

    Wseitz Initiate (134) Apr 25, 2010 Illinois

    I probably said this last year, but I actually think DLD'11 helped contribute to the problems with XV. At DLD '11, we were group C. We rolled in around 1:00 or so, walked right in, set up our spot, and had a great time. When it was time to buy our beer, everything was great. It went so well, actually (especially compared to '10) that we thought XV would go just as smoothly.

    At XV, based on DLD '11, I think we expected that at least entering the property wouldn't be a problem. At that point we could bide our time and decide when we wanted to get in line for Baller. But they completely screwed things up when they tied the entrance line to the bottle line, ESPECIALLY considering the even was sold as a party (which I assume is why the tickets were 2.5x as much) and not simply a beer release and associated gathering. They sold tickets to a party, and then wouldn't let you in to the party for which you purchased a ticket. Pretty ridiculous, IMO. There was nothing stopping them from doing one line for Baller, and one line for entrance. That was just a pathetic oversight on their part.

    Regarding this year, my sense is that one of the things they think worked well (speculating here) is picnic tables set-up throughout, which is why they probably aren't allowing chairs this year. Hopefully they don't set up the big tent like at XV, since I don't think they'll really need it, and all it does is take up space. Picnic tables/no outside chairs will allow them to control the traffic flow a little better, as opposed to having unorganized masses of people setting up shop wherever.
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  37. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (458) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    I don't know which was better for the general crowd, XV or DLD last year. XV had people standing in line for 4-5+ hours just to get on the grounds, which really sucks for those who needed to use the restroom or were hungry, or just wanted to try some of the beers in the beer tent throughout the day. However, it seemed that inside the grounds it wasn't very crowded throughout the day. You could easily find a seat, watch the bands, or just hang out. At DLD you could enter the grounds immediately which was awesome, but it was so overcrowded it took forever to get anywhere and all the tables were taken, leaving many sitting on the ground.

    I actually preferred how they did the XV because I am someone who gets to these events early enough to be near the front of the line. I hang out for the night/day in line trading and tasting beers and just talking to people is great. Then when the line started up I was inside in 10 minutes and got to spend the whole day not missing any of the special taps and enjoying that gourmet food they had. My friends who showed up just a couple of hours later than me were in line for 4 hours and I couldn't do anything for them. Sucked for them, but I had a fantastic time.
  38. aasher

    aasher Poo-Bah (2,568) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    Here's an idea, if you are waiting for someone to show up to share stuff with, go back in line to where they are. Do the whole tasting thing as you want. You can return to your crew when you're done, just don't bring the new crowd to the front with you.
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  39. TapeDeck

    TapeDeck Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2011 Illinois

    If BA's want to make a consensus call that "If you call someone out for cutting in the line, I will back your play" then it shouldn't be a problem for the first 100 or so people at any of the big releases. There is NO WAY that people are going to be able to police the whole line. The line definitely does widen up at DLD, and that is BS. They could hand out the little numbered ticket things in the line and just have people turn them in as they walk through on ID check... it wouldn't be hard to square away all of the people who wait for several hours. It won't help the people who get there 90 minutes before open... but something is better than nothing.

    I admit it, I do think it would be nice if they did something to accommodate the people who are going to spend all morning in line. Those people are the ones posting the huge reviews, lists of beers shared, etc, and that's what's keeping the hype growing for a one day release thing. If it weren't for that, it would largely just be locals who come out to the events. Shit... maybe that'd be better anyway.

    Anyway, if BA's want to say, as a group, "I won't allow cutting" then we could easily eliminate it. But I know that 2 of the guys in front of me at XV were BA guys, and they let their friends cut in front of me. I know at least one of the guys behind me at XV is a regular here (I'd never met him before, but have seen him post since... and I won't call anyone out) came with one friend and a cooler, and he had easily 8 or 9 friends jump in line with him. Newer to beer releases, I just assumed that this was par for the course, and let it be. Had I known that it would turn into a clusterphuck, I wouldn't have let my brother and sister in law join me late. We've already made DLD plans to make sure that anyone who wants to be in line with us is THERE when we leave the house... so we're all driving in one vehicle, and I get to be group dad again, and not get drunk. Joy.
  40. Agold

    Agold Defender (641) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

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