Dark Lord Day 2012 Rule Changes

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by Lansman, Mar 2, 2012.

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  1. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I understand the line cutting issue, but why the hell does it matter at DLD? Everyone is guaranteed a set number of bottles, and, last year anyway, no bottles were first-come, first-serve. The only way that cutting in line could possibly help someone at DLD would be to get into the brewpub, I suppose, but that doesn't seem to have been an issue for anyone in the past.


    Obviously line cutting sucks, but why complain about it in a DLD thread?
  2. Dontcounttoday

    Dontcounttoday Devotee (458) Apr 23, 2010 Illinois
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    I feel your point is valid if DLD is anything like the previous years, with the exception of just making the line longer for those already in it. However, if they choose to do it like they did the XV party, then it dramatically effects everyone in line. If you cannot even enter the grounds without being in the line, then you have no access to the food, restrooms, or beer taps. So every person that cuts in front of you increases your time to entry for everything. My friends who got to the brewery on time were 4-5 hours behind me from entering. By the time they got in, almost all the food was gone except hot dogs or something, which was an hour long line at that point. Also many of the guest taps they wanted to try were long gone. It was bad for them.
  3. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,451) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    It matters if they do limited barrel-aged releases first come, first serve like at the XV Anniversary Party. You know there's -bal aged Baller Stout sitting in that warehouse somewhere...

    But hopefully you are correct and everything is pre-allocated or lottery style.
  4. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Yeah, I just don't see why they would do first-come, first-serve given how well the lottery tickets went over last year.
  5. EseLocoSS

    EseLocoSS Initiate (119) Feb 2, 2010 Illinois
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    If I get tickets, I'm going to be in line early. I'll be bringing 5 or 6 blow up dolls with me to act as placeholders for my friends who are coming with but won't be in line early.
  6. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I guess I just didn't interpret them saying they would adopt some ideas from XV as "we want to make everyone wait in line outside as long a humanly possible." My assumption is that this was more in reference to coolers and possibly tables set up inside the grounds.
  7. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Show me the part where I said line cutting was ok. I'll wait.
  8. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    My point was that there's a time and a place to bitch about line cutting. I don't see how that involves DLD at all, as it's never been an issue there.
  9. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I didn't realize we were playing the "what if" game. Also, how would it keep someone from getting a -bal? Assuming you don't know the order the tickets are in at the start (which you don't), and that the winning tickets were randomly distributed throughout the stack (which, we assume, they were), you still have the exact same chance that your ticket is a winner no matter what spot you are in line. That's just math.

    Again, there's PLENTY of opportunities to bitch about line cutting in various threads involving bottle releases. Doing it in a DLD thread makes no sense to me.
  10. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    You're trying to make a complicated example simple. Keep in mind there were also several lines once you got into the gate from which you could pull your scratch ticket, and that the person directly in line behind you would have to follow you to the same scratch ticket line, which is unlikely unless that person was part of your group, as other lines would probably be shorter.

    COULD it happen? Sure. COULD I win the lottery? Absolutely. However, the odds are not in either of our favor.
  11. jeebus23

    jeebus23 Initiate (133) Mar 19, 2010 Illinois

    And what if 3 people cut and you do get a barrel aged? Would that change your opinion? Jesus, so much butthurt. The guys behind me at the Hi-Fi release went on and on about people cutting. When I first got there, a guy was walking down the line counting. I was 73 or 74. All I heard for 2 hours was how all these people were cutting and we weren't getting any beer. When they handed out tickets, I was number 80. People need to chill out about this. Not everyone in a group gets there at the same time. It's not that big of a deal and something I expect when I'm in line. There's a difference between people meeting their group and people walking the line to find someone they know to get a better spot. A guy I know tried to do that at DLD last year and I told him no. They need to hand out numbered tickets as you arrive, and then call them in order. That would be the end of it, and hopefully the end of these whiny threads.
  12. jeebus23

    jeebus23 Initiate (133) Mar 19, 2010 Illinois

    The sleeping in and meeting up 3 hours later is crap. I'm talking about the 20 minutes or so. The group a few behind me last DLD did the 2 people show up, 2 hours later 9 people show up. That's not cool. If people went to the back of the line to join the one late friend, how is that fair that other people get to jump ahead? If I remember my third grade etiquette, that would be a type of back cut, which is also frowned upon. To start calling people out when you really have no idea what that person is doing in line is just going to cause problems. If a friend from the back of the line walks up and sits down to taste some beer, are people going to start yelling? It's just a bad idea, and really childish. Reminds me of third grade.
  13. kiwifuz

    kiwifuz Initiate (132) Oct 27, 2005 Indiana

    The suggestion that line cutting hasn't been a problem at DLD in the past is hilarious. I don't think it has been AS BIG of a problem in the past few years when there were tickets, it's still a problem. Why should I get my beer any later, or spend any more time in line because someone has a friend that decided to show up later and wants to join the line? I do in fact remember years where line cutting caused the line not to move. I do remember allotments that were changed midway through the day and affected people that waited their turn. I remember way back around '07ish when it was the lions vs the gazelles. People totally rushed the doors when they opened them and people that had waited for hours were forced to just stand in the same spot to wait longer.

    Sure now there are tickets. Counterfeits aren't as easy because they aren't homemade on colored paper. Etc. But no matter what just wait in line. I don't care what your lame freaking excuse is. You get there, you join the line. Why do adults have to be policed? Why should that be 3Floyd's job? People need to grow up, be patient, and leave the sense of entitlement at home. Remember in elementary school when the creepy old lady watched the lines to make sure no one cut? You learned then, why does FFF need to hire her to watch you now?

    All of that aside: 3Floyds needs to fix the problems from the anniversary party. That line was just stupid. The ticket was sold for an event with chefs, bands, guest beers, and a bottle purchase; everyone should have had the opportunity to enjoy those things (unless they decided to arrive late). Whether there was a misunderstanding between FFF and their hired security/event people or not, it needed to be fixed when the problem became obvious. I saw brewery employees wandering around looking at the line around 3pm and they did nothing to get it moving inside.

    And no, showing up early won't fix it. Yes I understand that those that like to show up early were fine. The issue here is where does the earlier and earlier stop? It's like Black Friday. People shouldn't need to camp outside days in advance to make sure they can get inside during the event. Yes the earlier you get somewhere the earlier you get in. Fine. But if people are sold tickets they should be able to get in. We aren't all rushing for 30 TVs at Best Buy, we're entering an event we were pre-sold a ticket for. If you got there at 8am for XV, what would the line look like if everyone showed up just as early? Oh that's right, it would be just as long and have just as many problems. It's not rocket science. The line needs to move. Getting there early isn't an actual solution, it just makes it easier on the person that gets to the event early. The solution needs to come from the people causing the bottleneck at the top of the line.
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  14. kiwifuz

    kiwifuz Initiate (132) Oct 27, 2005 Indiana

    It reminds me of a kindergartener to think that it's okay for everyone's friends to come join them for a beer. Nope, get in line. If you are that attached to your friends and you can't be apart from them, then go to the end of the line with those people.

    It's like my friend the kindergarten teacher says: Unless you're going to ask everyone you just cut in front of if it's okay for you to go ahead of them, go to the back of the line. That's right, start all the way at the end where you belong and ask every last person. Better yet, just get in line at the end, drink some beers, make some friends.

    I'll guess you never received the "Good Citizen" award in school. Just play fair and have a good time. Don't be a douche filled with excuses that make you feel better about the fact that you're an entitled ass. (Not directed toward anyone specific, just EVERYONE that feels it's okay for him/her to cut. right.)
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  15. MNPikey

    MNPikey Devotee (407) Feb 27, 2011 Minnesota
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    I've never been to DLD but we plan to buy tickets and come from Minneapolis. I was under the understanding that they sell tickets and that guarantees you the opportunity to buy 6 bottles. Is that correct? If not, why bother selling tickets?
  16. biglobo8971

    biglobo8971 Devotee (480) May 6, 2010 Minnesota
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    tickets=bottles. And once again, I will try to make it again. And I will have a beer for each of the BA's going back and forth in this thread. I have picked four. If your interested in it, message me or "conversate" with me and we can all share one, or two, or 14 dependent on the line cutters and when I arrive in line.
  17. Gritch

    Gritch Initiate (160) Dec 26, 2010 Indiana
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    If I remember right it was only 4 bottles per ticket last year?
  18. kif

    kif Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Illinois
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    Yup 4/ticket last year
  19. MNPikey

    MNPikey Devotee (407) Feb 27, 2011 Minnesota
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    So all the fuss about line cutting means nothing other that having to wait in line a bit longer for bottles?
  20. jeebus23

    jeebus23 Initiate (133) Mar 19, 2010 Illinois

    Yes, because a beer event like this isn't about seeing friends and sharing good beer. It's about enforcing order and making sure you get your beer 5 minutes sooner.
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  21. MasterSki

    MasterSki Site Editor (6,451) Dec 25, 2006 Ontario (Canada)
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    Wait - this isn't EfficiencyAdvocate.com? What have I been doing for the last 5 years?
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  22. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    If anyone thinks line cutting wasn't an issue at 2010 DLD (with tickets!!!), you're crazy.

    I still regret not cutting in line.
  23. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    What was the issue with line cutting in 2010? I have no recollection of it.
  24. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Ah ok. I guess I was just too dumb and naive at the time to realize that line cutting played a part in it, but I was towards the back of the line and I do remember being one of the first to get less than the full promised allotment. Didn't they still open sales up at the end of the day as well? The whole day is hazy to me... can't imagine why. :wink:
  25. beergurujr

    beergurujr Aspirant (230) Oct 27, 2003 Illinois

    Does anyone have the balls to resort to a little physicality in order to stop line cutting? Noooooo. So put up with it, bend over to the bullies, and say "can I have a few more, sir?".

  26. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Word. All I remember from DLD 2010 was that I had a great time hanging out and drinking with friends, and getting to try so many new beers. Weird.
  27. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    It's debatable that DLD 2010 truly had a 'line' once you got close to the brewery. There were certainly two (!) lines which led into a mosh pit though.
  28. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Now there's an idea that eliminates the line cutting. Eliminate the line. Mosh pit instead.
  29. antoines15

    antoines15 Disciple (383) Dec 14, 2008 Indiana
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    I believe in 2010 they lowered the limit for awhile to 3, then upped it back to 4 later on, and still had open sales afterward. I could be drunk though. It was a mess. Still had fun and still went last year.
  30. MUMike

    MUMike Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2012 Missouri

    Hoping to make my first trip this year, assuming I get tickets. It will be a much needed break for me.
  31. kiwifuz

    kiwifuz Initiate (132) Oct 27, 2005 Indiana

    Info's up. Sales are at noon on 3/17. Should be fun!
  32. CWBlues

    CWBlues Aspirant (258) May 4, 2011 Indiana
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    I'm expecting the ISO: Dark Lord '12 (pre) posts to start showing up pretty soon too...
  33. Treebs

    Treebs Initiate (0) Apr 18, 2011 Illinois

    Right during the opening of Stoutfest.....wonderful........
  34. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Well I WAS thinking about going to Kuhnhenn's St. Patty's Day party, but now it looks like I'll be hounding my computer that afternoon...
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  35. Monsone

    Monsone Initiate (196) Jun 5, 2006 Illinois

    2010's line had 2 tickets lines that came together right at the same spot that the porta-potty lines and guest draft lines were. So in effect once you got into the parking lot everything went to shit. You could effectively just walk up to the front and walk in because no one knew which line they were in (piss, beer or bottles).

    And yes, less than pleased that tickets go on sale right at the open of Stout Fest. I guess I shouldn't complain cause I did actually get tickets to Stout Fest.
  36. bpgpitt10

    bpgpitt10 Aspirant (287) May 12, 2008 District of Columbia
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    What a pain to do the ticket sales on St. Patty's day.
  37. Labonix

    Labonix Initiate (63) Apr 27, 2009 Illinois

    They sold tickets on St. Patty day before. And its at the start of GI stout fest. They need to go back to releasing them real early like 4am on a sat. That might also help keep some of the ebayers away.
  38. Corbet

    Corbet Initiate (164) Nov 7, 2010 Michigan
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    This is my first DLD so I have a couple questions pertaining to ordering tickets:

    -Is there any way to register for their order site early? I'm not seeing any sort of login/register area and I want to make sure my info is ready to go.

    -How fast did they sell out last year?
  39. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    1) No.
    2) Minutes. Maybe seconds.
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