DH Double Crooked Tree Not Really 12% abv?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by 1Sundown2C, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. 1Sundown2C

    1Sundown2C Jan 13, 2012 New York
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    So I'm on my third or fourth bottle of this beer since it's 2013 release and am truly starting to question whether this beer is the 12% abv it claims to be. Not a huge problem as I actually find it an extremely enjoyable and unique DIPA (blows Devil Dancer away, IMO) but was wondering if anyone else shares this opinion? I've had many other beers I would consider world class in the 11-13% abv range and though amazingly well-crafted, you can taste the alcohol very easily in most. Here I taste very little at all compared to say, HopSlam, which is 2% less. Maybe it's only my palate. Thoughts?
     
  2. jegross2

    jegross2 Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    I don't understand, it's an incredible drinkable dipa/barley wine straddler. Love this beer.
     
  3. DiscLizard

    DiscLizard Feb 10, 2013 North Carolina
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    What's funny is reading the side of the 4pk where it claims 13.6%
     
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  4. beerhan

    beerhan Apr 28, 2010 Ohio
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    Well in years past it has been listed as 13.6%, not listed at all and 12% so I don't think there is any way for anyone to really know what it is. I would just accept that it is potent and delicious and not worry about a couple of points. I know from experience to not have more than one unless I find it on tap again because everything I just said I will ignore.
     
  5. BDEE

    BDEE Feb 11, 2012 Wisconsin

    I was sharing one yesterday at 5 am with a friend before going to the Irish pub at 6 am. Probably because it was the first we had on empty stomachs, we were both feeling nice walking in the cold Milwaukee air.
     
  6. dpjosuns

    dpjosuns Dec 8, 2009 Illinois

    Maybe it's just so good you don't give a sh*t...? That could be it.
     
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  7. Tchfunkta

    Tchfunkta May 14, 2009 Kentucky

    I've never had a beer that early. Kudos.
     
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  8. gtermi

    gtermi Apr 21, 2010 Texas

    I've never had a beer that early, but I have had a beer that late... If you get my drift
     
  9. BDEE

    BDEE Feb 11, 2012 Wisconsin

    It was St. Patty's day....
     
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  10. jRocco2021

    jRocco2021 Mar 13, 2010 Wisconsin
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    You can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning.
     
  11. Tchfunkta

    Tchfunkta May 14, 2009 Kentucky

    Now that I have done.

    Does this mean your done when the sun goes down?
     
  12. xanok

    xanok Aug 13, 2009 Connecticut
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    Legally, it has to be extremely close to what the label says.
     
  13. Keffa

    Keffa Jan 8, 2009 Ohio
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    Then what does it have to be if it's not on the label? ;)
     
  14. 1Sundown2C

    1Sundown2C Jan 13, 2012 New York
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    I'm willing to wager it's no more than 10.5%
     
  15. BlackDragon

    BlackDragon Feb 16, 2013 Michigan

    and you know this how your vast experience of being drunk LOL
     
  16. westcoastbeerlvr

    westcoastbeerlvr Oct 19, 2010 California

    I thought you were going to say they were independently tested in a lab prior to label approval in a strict region and found to be short on alcohol, similar to how DFH World Wide Stout was found to be 15% instead of 18% when it was being approved for Canada.
     
  17. xanok

    xanok Aug 13, 2009 Connecticut
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    In the United States, all alcohol must state the alcohol content on the container.

    And you're basing this on what exactly? The taste of the beer? Please.
     
  18. Keffa

    Keffa Jan 8, 2009 Ohio
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    See this:

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    And this:

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    What you see is what was printed on the bottles when I purchased them 2 years ago at The Beverage Source in Newark. They got the bottles from their Dark Horse distributor from here in Ohio. It does not list ABV ANYWHERE on that bottle, nor did it list the ABV on the cartons the bottles came from.

    Your move, sir :)
     
  19. xanok

    xanok Aug 13, 2009 Connecticut
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    Whether or not the abv is stated on the container (it should be, legally speaking, at least according to government websites that state such things) doesn't matter. The burden of proof to show that the beer isn't the stated ABV is on you. Basing such a statement on how it tastes is total nonsense at best.
     
  20. BrettHead

    BrettHead Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    Not true. If jesskidden runs across this thread he'll give you the specifics.
     
  21. jesskidden

    jesskidden Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Not for beer (or, "malt beverages" in legalese), for which it's still optional and, in some states, still illegal.

     
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  22. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Nope.

    5. ALCOHOL CONTENT
    • GENERAL
    A statement of alcohol content is optional unless
    It is required by State law
    OR
    It is prohibited by State law

    http://www.ttb.gov/beer/bam/chapter1.pdf

    You may have a point with distilled spirits but not malt beverages.
     
  23. TheBeerAlmanac

    TheBeerAlmanac Mar 3, 2011 Kentucky
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    I wholly believe there's an algorithm built into BA that creates a BM for jesskiddin every time he's beckoned in a thread, complete with direct link and preformed reply box. It's like BA's version of the bat signal.
     
  24. fredmugs

    fredmugs Aug 11, 2012 Indiana
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    Go out for a 5 mile run or knock out an hour on any cardio machine. Start drinking them immediately afterwards and see how fast you get jacked up.
     
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  25. Hanzo

    Hanzo Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I'm confused, are you mad they crafted a beer that hides its alcohol so well?
     
  26. NastyNate11

    NastyNate11 Jan 13, 2013 North Carolina

    I read somewhere that if you did list ABV it had to be within a .2 range of what's printed on label. If you cannot guarantee it, many breweries leave it off. A good example is WWS and 120 from DFH, who claim to range from 15%-20% depending on the batch, and do not bother listing ABV on the bottle.
     
  27. jesskidden

    jesskidden Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  28. Swik

    Swik Oct 2, 2012 Indiana

    I'm not sure but I see where you're going with the post, stopped at DH yesterday and got one of those bad boys on tap and a four pack, first time drinking it and in my honest opinion they gotta be damn close, delicious, sweet, drinkable and not boozy one bit. Could definetly make you doubt the abv. But after having two in a short amount of time I wouldn't doubt the 12% on the bottle.
     
  29. chaseabeer

    chaseabeer Feb 4, 2009 Oklahoma

    It needs to be within .3%. Only states (Texas) that require lab testing will inforce this as you provide the results when you register the label. The state government doesn't have the time or skill to otherwise regulate what a brewery puts on their label. They can make the abv up if a brewery wants to.
     
  30. GuzzLah

    GuzzLah Mar 2, 2013 Illinois

    If you can't taste the booze, that means they fermented it properly, if their intention was to hide the booze in the flavor.
     
  31. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    Does Dark Horse have a lab? They have grown, but still not real big.
     
  32. klaybie

    klaybie Nov 15, 2009 Illinois

    I have a feeling it is at or very close to 13.6% abv. Imagine the bad PR that they would get if it weren't.
     
  33. xanok

    xanok Aug 13, 2009 Connecticut
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    Fair enough. I can't imagine that DH would still be off by 3% as OP says though.
     
  34. Blanco

    Blanco Oct 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I have no doubts this beer is 12%. I found it boozy as hell.
     
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