Did Hop Drop n Roll Change?

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  1. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,628) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I'm onto Scythe when I can get it, great beer. I can't believe in my wildest dream that NoDa would let HDR get away. Not only get away but it's stayed away for quite a long time now, can't believe that can't get back what they once brewed. When it's right it's as right as an IPA gets. They have to know they screwed it up, I can't believe they can't fix it.
     
  2. bcrossan

    bcrossan Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2005 North Carolina

    Agreed. That and Pernicious are my favs from NC now. HDR, how the mighty have fallen!! Sad
     
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  3. KingEdward

    KingEdward Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2010 North Carolina
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    I think hop drop is awesome! My favorite NC IPA.
     
  4. LFC_YNWA

    LFC_YNWA Initiate (0) May 31, 2014 New Jersey

    Got gifted some NODA stuff, including Hop Drop N Roll, as well as some stuff from Ashville. When i was in Charlotte Hop Drop N Roll was a solid IPA. Not the best I've ever had or anything, but a really enjoyable IPA. My sister who lives down there had Jam Session at her wedding too which was excellent. Mostly because good local craft beer at weddings isn't something I've had the fortune of enjoying. Great beer scene down there and it all seems so easily accessible
     
  5. samtallica

    samtallica Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2010 North Carolina

    I know it's not technically NC local (although it's brewed here) but for the bang to buck ratio, you cannot go wrong with Oskar Blues IPA. It's $8-9 a sixer, is usually really fresh and tastes delicious!
     
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  6. mcd432

    mcd432 Initiate (0) Jul 23, 2015 North Carolina

    Maybe it's just me but the one time I tried it about a month ago I thought the OB's IPA tasted like roofing tar would if that were to come in a consumable liquid form. :confused:

    In terms of HD&R, I also believe that has really fallen off from where it once was. In fact we were in Waterbury, VT on Wednesday for a Heady drop and met a couple of guys in the parking lot as we were loading up our allotment in the cooler and I gave them a 4-pack of HD&R we took up here from NC and said... "Merry Christmas. I need the cooler space and I'll bet you won't see much of this up here. I wish it was as good as it was as good as it was quite some time ago but you guys form your own opinion." And off we went...
     
  7. ILMbrew

    ILMbrew Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2013 North Carolina

    Had Hop Drop on tap at the North Tryon location today (12/27) with full intentions of buying a four pack or two to go. Have to say we were really disappointed. Just a malty mess. Tasted old and had zero citrus/bursting fruit hop presence I remember. We visited four Charlotte breweries today and Noda was definitely the worst in terms of quality. New tap room is really cool but Hop Drop is not at all the beer it once was. Too many choices in the city and state to give this another try.
     
  8. samtallica

    samtallica Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2010 North Carolina

    The worst part is that it still sells like crazy, so they have no real motivation to fix it. There is no doubt in my mind that they know there is a problem with it, but until it starts hurting their bottom line, they aren't going to make any major changes to their process. The fact that they can knowingly serve terrible beer in their own taproom is a huge slap in the face to the customers that have supported them from the beginning.

    If you're listening NoDa, I personally will not be taking any more chances with your stuff. I've had my last bad HDnR. You've lost a pretty loyal customer. I understand that fermentation can be unpredictable, but it's gotten ridiculous. For over a year I've let bad beer after bad beer slide, but I'm done. I encourage others to speak with their dollars as well.
     
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  9. moonbrews

    moonbrews Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2010 Virginia

    to add another anecdote that can be used to make sweeping generalizations about the beer and brewery as a whole, I had my first can last night. Huge citrus and cilantro notes. Every can must be equally fantastic, forever and ever, and everything the brewery makes must be golden.
     
  10. LFC_YNWA

    LFC_YNWA Initiate (0) May 31, 2014 New Jersey

    I was at the old NoDa, across from Bird Song probably 3 years ago when visiting my sister and was very impressed by their Hop Drop n Roll. They also had Jam Session last year at their wedding which was fantastic (I'd had it before, but to have any good beer at a wedding is a plus).

    Was the change from switching breweries? Or did it go downhill well after switching buildings? My sister brought some stuff up this weekend. I was looking forward to trying to the Hoppy Holidays but wasn't too impressed. It wasn't completely cold though so I have one more to try. The Hop Drop n Roll tasted good to me. I don't remember what it was like 3 years ago, but it was the best of what I had. That was towards the end of the night though after drinking some other IPAs from other breweries they brought up, which sadly I think they just picked off shelves in a grocery store or something and almost all of them tasted old/funky.
     
  11. KRubes

    KRubes Initiate (0) Sep 7, 2014 North Carolina
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    I thought Hoppy Holidays tasted great and very similar to what I thought HDR used to be.
     
  12. LFC_YNWA

    LFC_YNWA Initiate (0) May 31, 2014 New Jersey

    Yea, again, I think when I had it, it wasn't cold enough yet. Either that or it suffered from a car ride in unusual 70 degree weather after I'm sure it was previously refrigerated. Have another in the fridge that is nice and cold so will definitely be revisiting it :slight_smile:
     
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  13. Johntomk

    Johntomk Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2014 Tennessee

    Has anyone had the 12-29 cans? If so, how is it? I don't want to order it if it is way off.
     
  14. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina
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    Picked up some 1 day old cans yesterday and thought they tasted pretty good. It's been a while since I've had Hop Drop and it has never been my absolute favorite, so I couldn't really say whether it's changed or whatever. Was glad I got a 4-pack though, it's definitely a good beer.
     
  15. KRubes

    KRubes Initiate (0) Sep 7, 2014 North Carolina
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    Agreed. Picked up a can last night and it was solid. Nice aroma. I don't think it's 100% where it once was, but it suited me.
     
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  16. Jayh5

    Jayh5 Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2013 North Carolina

    When is this topic gonna die? The stuff is still flying off the shelves. I think it's great ipa, proballly better when it won, but theres so many just as good and better here in NC if you don't like it anymore drink something else.
     
  17. aleckpa

    aleckpa Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2010 North Carolina

    Probably when Hop Drop returns to what it was. Who knows when that will be.
     
  18. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,628) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    No your wrong IMO of course, but when HDR was right there wasn't an IPA close to it brewed not only in this state but a bunch of others as well. It was that good. Now it sucks I won't spend a penny on any NoDa until it's right, and they know it's not right and hasn't been forever. But still they brew that crap and sell it. Drink Scythe it's the best around right now.
     
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  19. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina
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    Scythe is good but it's been canned what twice now? 3 times maybe. Not exactly readily available. Plus for many people (myself included), a rye IPA could never be the #1 that they drink all the time.
     
  20. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,628) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I don't see Scythe as an everyday beer like you said it's not available everyday. But it is a great IPA that quite easily drinks like a double. Love this beer. I'm in Myrtle Beach this weekend and I have some fresh One Claw, very similar is some respects, but it's a rye pa too. The flavor and mouthfeel of Scythe is exceptional, but that's me too, it just hits it for me. That said fresh Pernicious is damn good too.
     
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  21. boognish23

    boognish23 Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2012 North Carolina

    Yes HDR is flying off the shelves due to such a hype surrounding its somewhat former self. With that being said ,there are far too many ppl skulling HDR in its all malty muddled mess. For some reason people love that obnoxious abrasive malt bomb , and won't step away from the Noda teet to drink anything else which is pitiful. There are far more superior IPA's out there to get down with. In regards to Scythe yeah it's decent for a rye ,but if you want you want the real McCoy than look no further than Alpine Nelson. It's readily available in shops that actually know what it is. Believe it or not there are retailers that had ZERO idea what this brew or brewery was about up until a few months back. That's CLT and not surprising to the slightest. Long live Muddled, Mess and Roll.
     
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  22. greensparkplug

    greensparkplug Initiate (82) Nov 28, 2014 North Carolina
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    You're right that Nelson is great. There are a lot of non-NC made IPAs that are available in NC that are great.

    The discussion on this thread has been more about IPAs made by NC breweries.

    I think I've tried just about all the contenders, and I'd say overall Pernicious is the best right now. Sometimes I'm in the mood for something more bitter or with more of a punch, but in general Pernicious is just a great, well-rounded option. Love the sexy shape of that bottle, too.
     
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  23. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina
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    I think the most recent batch of Jade is the best NC IPA right now, with Pernicious right there with it.

    Nelson is great, but it's very expensive and only comes in large format bottles. Not always what I want. Will pretty much always get it on draft if it's available though.
     
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  24. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,628) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I've had Duet, Nelson, Pure Hoppiness in the last few weeks , obviously all are sincerely excellent. I was thinking purely NC based brews. Tough to pick a best of those bunch, they're all different they're all great.
     
  25. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,628) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Jades batches are spotty. When it's on it's fabulous, when it's not it's still pretty good. IMO just a bit inconsistent at times.
     
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  26. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina
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    Agree
     
  27. Kaingers

    Kaingers Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2015 North Carolina

    Got HDR for the first time last summer and gave away 3 of the 4 cans. The beer didn't come close to the hype and I hope it is due to growing pains. Might re-visit it with the release that just swamped Raleigh a week ago. Anyone had the latest batch?
     
  28. Slowdive

    Slowdive Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2015 North Carolina

    If you don't like it now then I doubt you ever will. I've only noticed distinct differences in maybe two to three 4packs and that was all over the summer. I know everyone in here wants to think that it sucks and the only reason it miraculously flies off shelves is due to some unbeknownst "hype", but the real reason is that it's still a great IPA.
     
  29. Slowdive

    Slowdive Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2015 North Carolina

    I will say that it probably isn't as fruit dominant of a flavor as it was in the early canning days/when they still filled growlers of it. I remember getting a 4pack in the early canning days and it tasted like a strawberry smoothie
     
  30. CavemanRamblin

    CavemanRamblin Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2014 North Carolina
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    It used to be a glowing orange color when you poured it into a glass. Now it's a much darker, copper color.
     
  31. boognish23

    boognish23 Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2012 North Carolina

    Much dark copper color= increase in malt presence. In response to Slowdive "Strawberry Smoothie". An IPA of this so called caliber should never have the tasting profile of strawberry smoothie. I remember for a hot second HDR tasting decent and palatable unlike the appearance of unfiltered cider today. Perhaps Noda should quit polishing their trophy of latter day and start creating beer that can stand in the same room of other IPA's. Side note to Noda.....save the ink of printing Gold Winner at World Cup on bottom of their HDR can. It's best to be humble and progressively evolve to make world-class beers. Currently Noda Brewing is doing neither.
     
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  32. nc41

    nc41 Poo-Bah (2,628) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    They have to know it's broken , they're professionals they brewed it when it was worthy of a Gold Medal, they have to know it doesn't come close now. I used to drink HT in vertices with HDR and it didn't embarress itself it was so good it hung in there. Now I wouldn't take it for free if it tasted like the last batches I had, I drain poured the one I started and gave 3 away.
     
  33. samtallica

    samtallica Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2010 North Carolina

    You've been lucky. My main issue with it is the extreme variation in quality. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's just okay and other times it's awful. I would order it pretty consistently until recently. I was under the impression that there was a problem with the canning process because I had never had a really bad one on draft but then back in September I had several that were TERRIBLE. And I'm not just talking slightly off, it straight up tasted like bitter, wet cardboard. I actually got 2 that tasted like that from 2 different bars on the same night so I know it wasn't an old keg or bad draft line. The fact that the brewery would release a beer like that is ridiculous.

    Also, this beer ISN'T cheap. Generally $5-7 at bars/restaurants and $12+ for a 4 pack at bottle shops. I just got sick of wasting my money on a beer that's only drinkable some of the time. It actually really irritates me to think of all the buttery or oxidized HDnRs I've suffered through or poured out in the past year. I really wanted to support NoDa because they're local and because of what the beer once was, but I just can't do it anymore. For a west coast style IPA, 3C IPA cans are cheaper and MUCH more consistent in my experience.

    We also now have the option of Jade and Pernicious being readily available. Say what you will about either of those, but I've never had an undrinkable one. I've had many undrinkable HDnRs.
     
  34. Schultz

    Schultz Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2008 Maryland

    This and other thread have interested me for over a year. Now I must respond. I first had HDR when picking up my son from Spring Break in winter of 2014. Was on tap in most Columbia SC beer bars and loved it, great IPA. Same for when I picked him up in May and also got my 2 four pack limit at brewery on way home. Since then I have seen no more HDR draft outside Charlotte and have picked up at least a case on my four yearly trips through Charlotte. Still a great IPA and everyone here at home I share some with give it the same high regards. For sh^&ts and giggles I always save a can from my last batch to sample with my fresh batch. Tonight I sampled my can from 7/29 with a can from 12/10 and while the July can was definitely an old IPA it was not spoiled or rotten, just a malt bomb with no hops. During my travels I have also had Pernicious, Freak of Nature, Green Man IPA, and Scythe. All are great beers, but to me the only one that compares is Freak of Nature and that is a DIPA. Still personal tastes vary.

    Two thoughts to consider. When I buy from the brewery the beer is refrigerated. I have bought HDR from Good Bottle, Salud, and Craft Beer Guys and it is room temperature. Could that make a difference?

    Also, I only get HDR four times a year. Because I have limited availability does that make HDR better to me? Look at the top beer list, most of the highly rated beers are once a year releases and/or have extremely limited distribution. Does that make beer "taste" better? Since I do not get to taste HDR on a weekly basis is my rating of it higher and conversely is my rating of Heavy Seas, Dogfish. Flying Dog, etc. lower since they are readily available to me?

    To wrap things up, I still think HDR is a great beer. To me, HDR and Fatheads Head Hunter are the two best IPAs in "my region".

    Cheers and Happy New Years to all!
     
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  35. Cottontown201

    Cottontown201 Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 South Carolina

    Drinking some 12/10/15 HDR now. I only go to Charlotte 5-6 times a year so I will defer to the locals, but there isn't anything wrong with the four packs I'm drinking now. Jade, Pernicious, and HDR are all great, but I prefer HDR.
     
  36. TheOriginal

    TheOriginal Initiate (90) Feb 6, 2011 North Carolina

    No IPA made in NC, or distributed in NC, compares to Freak of Nature. <- Troll
     
  37. RBowers

    RBowers Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2014 Virginia

    So people are saying it's still a good IPA, which isn't the question. It's a malt bomb, color, smell and taste. If that's your idea of a good IPA, that's great but it didn't used to be that way, so the answer to the question is yes it changed and now it is shit IMO.
     
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  38. rgordon

    rgordon Meyvn (1,086) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina

    When once it was knitted together in a unison of components, it is now more disjointed, a bit of a darker color, and less smooth overall. I look at my notes from an early December batch and remarked that the beer was in pieces and not a "whole" unit.
     
  39. samtallica

    samtallica Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2010 North Carolina

    It's not a "malt bomb" by any means. If you get it within a day or two of canning, it is much closer to its old self. The problem is that the beer is not shelf stable. It oxidizes very quickly, which brings out the disgusting mess you're referring to.
     
  40. raverjames

    raverjames Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2003 Virginia

    Agreed. I had some canned the 3rd week of December (picked up in the Lake Norman Whole Foods), and I was sad I purchased it. They are having some serious issues with that beer. It tasted very grassy, which is nothing like what it used to be. It used to be a clean citrusy IPA. Now, it lost most of the citrus, and has some weird off-flavors. I disliked it so much, I refused to buy more to bring back for Charleston friends. I know they would be disappointed as well. I still enjoyed the Coco-loco. Now that WW Pernicious is an amazing IPA.
    NoDa, please fix this beer!

    Before anyone uses the "your palate has changed" excuse, I have been drinking IPAs in various forms for 15-16 years. I am probably the easiest person to please, because I don't require hop bombs. A simple clean IPA is enough for me. I regularly consume Sierra Nevada IPAs and Sweetwater IPA.
     
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