Does anyone know what the Cheers to Belgian Beers yeast will be yet?

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by mmciz, Mar 11, 2013.

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  1. mmciz

    mmciz Initiate (0) May 4, 2010 Oregon

    They should be tossing the darts and all that soon, yes?

    Logsdon won the People's Choice so it will be choosing again?
     
  2. beeraroundtown

    beeraroundtown Initiate (32) Oct 11, 2008 Oregon

    I've heard there won't be a single yeast strain this year. Not sure if there is a homebrew competition at all. I believe the breweries get to use what ever type of Belgian yeast they want.
     
  3. JPK

    JPK Initiate (0) May 20, 2012 Oregon

    http://oregonbeer.org/pctbb/
     
  4. mmciz

    mmciz Initiate (0) May 4, 2010 Oregon

    Thanks. Doing a search for text shows no info on 2013 Dart throw, though.
     
  5. LoPo87

    LoPo87 Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2012 Oregon
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    Logsdon won last year and selected Brettanomyces. They apparently decided to scrap the one yeast strain idea and just go with an open belgian beer competition.
     
  6. Chou

    Chou Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2012 Oregon

    Please tell me Rogue isn't on the dartboard (cough, cough, beard yeast, cough).
     
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  7. TheNewSchool

    TheNewSchool Initiate (19) Oct 6, 2011 Oregon

    no specific yeast, no dart throw and no homebrew competition. What made the festival unique has been getting watered down and is now completely gone. It's just a free for all Belgian-style beer from Oregon fest now.
     
  8. goodbyeohio

    goodbyeohio Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2004 Oregon

  9. eatabagofbooger

    eatabagofbooger Initiate (60) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Already noticed these are on the same day. I'm kinda bummed, as I'd like to hit each of these with a fresh pallet, but given the choice, I'll go to mongers first and then see if I've got the stamina to check out ctbb
     
  10. mmciz

    mmciz Initiate (0) May 4, 2010 Oregon

    Wowza, the Mongers are going straight at CTBB?!?

    ...but so far it's mostly out of state breweries?
     
  11. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Crusader (752) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon
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    Seriously? The beers at Cheers to Belgian Beers were uniformly terrible because of the one yeast strain idea. Maybe it was because they only give the brewers like 2 months to create a beer from the throw, but uniqueness is all well and good unless the beers suck (which they did.)
     
  12. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Gotta agree with Luke. I like the concept of CTBB, but the time constraints always meant that 80% of the beer tasted like the low-end of homebrew. At least you get a real glass, though.
     
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  13. msubulldog25

    msubulldog25 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2005 Oregon

  14. SeaAle

    SeaAle Disciple (396) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon
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    Just saw on Logsdon's facebook that they're no longer participating in this years festival. Instead they will be doing a tasting over at Belmont Station. Wonder what's up with that?
     
  15. teddyarrowhead

    teddyarrowhead Disciple (307) Oct 23, 2009 Oregon
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    I'm guessing it's because the fest did away with the People's Choice Award, which Logsdon won the last two years.
     
  16. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I'm guessing it's not, but I'll keep my rumor-mongering to less public forums...
     
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  17. teddyarrowhead

    teddyarrowhead Disciple (307) Oct 23, 2009 Oregon
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    I talked to one of the Logsdon guys last night and confirmed my suspicion. The primary reason was the People's Choice Award going away after they named their submission (PnB) and also getting rid of the yeast selection for the competition/winner. They love the festival, but without the competition/award, it essentially came down to not wanting to 'donate' $2k worth of one of their best beers that could go into the Oregon marketplace.

    I'm obviously paraphrasing, but there's your info.

    EDIT: An 'official' source - http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-30058-logsdon_walks_away_from_cheers_to_belgian_beers.html

    I also agree with your comments above about the beers being much better overall at this year's festival with the yeast restriction lifted. I didn't have a single 'bad' beer last night, whereas in the past there were definitely some serious drain pour candidates.
     
  18. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    That "article" is a little lacking in any sort of critical analysis. It surely seems like a proper reporting might dig into why the format of the festival changed so dramatically.
     
  19. teddyarrowhead

    teddyarrowhead Disciple (307) Oct 23, 2009 Oregon
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    We're talking about the WW here. I hope they at least got the direct quotes right.

    As to your question, the OBG says, "Since 2008, Oregon brewers have won medals in the Belgian-Style or Sour Ale categories every year at the Great American Beer Festival and the World Beer Cup. In order to showcase these medal winning beers, opening up the Festival to beers that have been aged, blended, barrel aged or soured and not requiring all brewers to do so was necessary."

     
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  20. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    That's a very politic way of explaining the changes.
     
  21. jgrgas

    jgrgas Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Oregon

    What I'm about to say is not fact, but personal analysis as a participating brewer. While the yeast selection and dart toss was great in spirit, the result was a lot of rushed, subpar beers. The enthusiasm was definitely waning and I get the impression many felt obligated to participate and then submitted a beer they weren't proud of. Selecting the yeast and having the dart throw earlier could have alleviated some of these problems as this would have afforded the brewers time to learn and play with the strain, while possibly negotiating Wyeast to donate some pitches (this isn't an unreasonable expectation since all of the beer poured at the fest is donated). This would obviously increase familiarity with the strain, which would then hopefully result in better beers, which would then reflect more positively on the Guild, Wyeast, all of the brewers.

    OK, that was a bit of a digression. Basically, I feel that since most of the beers sucked, the decision was made to loosen the restriction and simplify the format to make it like every other themed festival around. After tasting about 15 different beers yesterday I'd say this was the most successful Cheers to Belgian Beers yet.
     
  22. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    I totally agree with these short-comings & suggestions. My unsolicited advice to the OBG would be to change the rules as follows (and enforce them):

    • Restore the People's Choice Award
    • Yeast selection and dart throw should happen within 1 month after the festival
      • Select yeast randomly this time to re-seed the competition
    • The yeast selected must be a Saccharomyces strain
    • Beer submissions must use (only) the selected strain, and conform to the dart throw results
      • Possible alternative: only conforming beers are eligible to win the People's Choice Award
    While I don't think this will heal the riff between Logsdon and the OBG, I think it would improve the festival and prevent similar situations from re-occurring.
     
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  23. jgrgas

    jgrgas Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Oregon


    Agree, but then the Brewer's Guild would need to be organized and stick to its rules, neither of which have been the case for years.
     
  24. goodbyeohio

    goodbyeohio Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2004 Oregon

    SMOKEFEST
     
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  25. deathcharms

    deathcharms Initiate (68) Jul 11, 2009 California

    Who won the Smoker?
     
  26. goodbyeohio

    goodbyeohio Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2004 Oregon

    Amy (Kyle from Widmer's fiancee)
     
  27. msubulldog25

    msubulldog25 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2005 Oregon

    And I would say, after tasting 15-20 beers on Saturday, that my favorite (er... "People's Choice"?) vote would go to The Commons Emilie. Really excellent stuff, IMO...
     
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  28. cavemanlawyer

    cavemanlawyer Aspirant (271) Dec 7, 2010 Oregon
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    Is this a for-profit event? I looked on the website but didn't see anything about the event being for charity.
     
  29. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Worst event website evar
     
  30. cavemanlawyer

    cavemanlawyer Aspirant (271) Dec 7, 2010 Oregon
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    Just wondering why the brewers are "asked" to donate the beer if it is a for-profit event.
     
  31. SeaAle

    SeaAle Disciple (396) Jun 24, 2012 Oregon
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    I would have to go with Cascade's Chuggit Pucker. That beer was awesome.
     
  32. msubulldog25

    msubulldog25 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2005 Oregon

    I just missed that one from Cascade (the sign was pulled down while I was standing in line for it). My other favorites were: Solera's The Fez, Upright's Bright Moments, Coalition's Sour Puss... and the oddly delicious Meyer-Bay Saison from Stickmen (tasted a lot like Chai Tea in the finish, which I love)
     
  33. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Was being quite serious... it's the worst festival website I've ever seen...

    That said, isn't OBG itself a non-profit? Whose members are the breweries themselves?

    Out of curiosity, does anyone know which other festivals in the area make breweries donate their beer and which ones pay for the kegs? My understanding was that it's not uncommon for breweries not to get paid.
     
  34. jgrgas

    jgrgas Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Oregon

    Oregon Brewer's Guild is a non-profit trade association supposedly representing Oregon craft breweries. Every beer at all the OBG festivals (Cheers, Fresh Hop, Malt Ball) is donated. I believe they perceive these events to be fundraisers for the Guild, but it really pisses me off that the cut is being made at the expense of due-paying breweries. It's one of my greatest frustrations (of which there are many).

    Typically, fests pay full retail value for the keg (usually with a certain price ceiling), but also charge an entry fee, usually resulting in a complete wash. The justification is that these events are essential marketing events for the breweries, which is something I'm not entirely sold on. Once again, having organized a few festivals, the largest expense items are glassware and beer. However, it's extremely frustrating that the most of these events are basically making their money off of the breweries backs. I'm sure they feel differently, but it's really difficult as a supplier not have another outlook.

    Smaller, themed fests, like Puckerfest of Smokefest, simply buy the keg and markup the beer accordingly. Obviously, we're a big fan of this system and give priority to events like these.

    Here's a really high level list. I can let you know the structure of any fest I forget.

    Buys Kegs + entry fee:
    OBF
    PIB
    Holiday Ale
    NAOBF
    Fruit Beer
    Spring Beer & Wine

    Donation
    Fresh hops x3
    Malt Ball
    Cheers
    Oregon Garden Brewfest
     
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  35. cavemanlawyer

    cavemanlawyer Aspirant (271) Dec 7, 2010 Oregon
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    Thank you for the detailed response. Seems like a pretty sweet deal for the OBG!
     
  36. mmciz

    mmciz Initiate (0) May 4, 2010 Oregon

  37. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Ahh... that article was mentioned in this thread as soon as it was posted.
     
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  38. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Josh, thank you for your -- as usual -- thoughtful, detailed, and informative post. As someone who personally prefers the atmosphere of the smaller festivals around town, it's nice to know that they're also better for the local breweries. And, I'm really looking forward to getting to try Emilie at the tasting room sometime soon :)
     
  39. jgrgas

    jgrgas Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Oregon

    Thanks Kevin, having been a BA prior to getting in the industry I recall my curiosity about the finer details of the business. I'm now using this forum to hopefully provide clarity and disclosure from whatever meager knowledge I have accumulated.

    As for Emilie, we're waiting on the beer to finish conditioning and we'll have bottles and draft available sometime in the next few weeks, most likely the first weekend in March. I anticipate Thursday, March 2nd being the release date. We're pretty psyched with how this one turned out and are eagerly waiting to taste the bottle conditioned version.
     
  40. jgrgas

    jgrgas Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Oregon

    Thanks Brian. We're not being shy, for once, about how happy we are with this one.
     
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