Does cold storage for IPAs figure into where you shop?

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  1. StJamesGate

    StJamesGate Grand Pooh-Bah (3,766) Oct 8, 2007 New York
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    It's important to store hoppy beers cold - there have been plenty of threads on this.

    But how many beer stores do you see that are really set up for this?
    There are 4 or 5 beer places that I hit regularly but only one has cooler that runs the length of the store. None of them have cold rooms.
    Plus, big places like Total Wine, BevMo, and Beers of the World just have too much beer to chill it all + end up displaying a lot of beer at room temp.

    Does your favorite store chill their hoppy beers? Is it realistic to expect all IPAs to be refrigerated?
     
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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    It is beneficial for ALL beer to be stored cold, not just hoppy beers or IPA's.
    ---Ken Grossman, Sierra Nevada Brewing Co., Beyond the Pale (2013)​
    I don't know - I don't want to drink stale pale ales, brown ales, porters or pilsners, either.
     
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  3. Dweedlebug

    Dweedlebug Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Judging by the sheer number of hop forward beers that most stores carry, there's no way they have the capacity to keep all of them cold. I also doubt most distributors keep their beer cold and they probably aren't shipped cold most of the time either. It seems almost pointless to worry about them being cold just at the last stop along the way to your house.
     
  4. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I buy at the brewery much as possible, and they go from brewer's fridge, into my cooler, and into my fridge when I get home. Yes, freshness is key to my enjoyment of most beers, and especially IPA styles. At the bev store I go by date, and always buy the best beer at the freshest date in the fridge if possible, but if fresh enough on shelf is okay too. No date on packaging? Doesn't come home with me.
     
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  5. stickboy1125

    stickboy1125 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2012 Virginia

    I would tend to agree with this^.

    Seems like most stores I go to have stuff in a fridge but the beer is stored at room temp in the back of the store and gets moved to the fridge when the shelf gets low/empty. It's likely those beers haven't been stored cold for very long, unless it's a beer that doesn't sell, in which case, it's old and I wouldn't buy it anyway.
     
  6. bigda83

    bigda83 Crusader (453) Feb 13, 2014 New York
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    My main focus is freshness over cold storage as far as IPAs are concerned. Of course I get them cold ASAP, but I don't worry as much about whether or not it is at a store. I agree with Dave that if it's fresh and on a shelf that's fine as well as if something doesn't have a date then it's not coming home with me.
     
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  7. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    It's why I buy from a small shop like Bestway over Total Wine for any and all hoppy beers except obviously freshly delivered special releases. They keep it cold from the delivery truck on a lot of their beers, obvious fast moving beers might be stacked on pallets, but that's fairly minimal.
     
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  8. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Would a grocery store ever keep dairy products in warm backrooms and on warm shelves because "with all the variety available there is no way they can afford the capacity to keep all of them cold"?

    As far as I'm concerned, any store that keeps rows and rows of warm beer on the shelf is just taking a shortcut in order to have more quantity or variety. (Looking at you, Total Wine.) I have no idea what the backroom of the liquor stores I frequent are like, but I know France 44 has a large walk-in cooler, and my "convenient on the way home" store has probably 90% of the beer on display in coolers, with the larger coolers being the convenience-store type with cold storage behind the display shelves.
     
  9. tillmac62

    tillmac62 Pooh-Bah (2,859) Oct 2, 2013 South Carolina
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    If I had the option, it would. Unfortunately, only one place has a cold room and it's about 12 x 12 so their stock is limited.
     
  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Lots of places have too much beer in stock to chill it all, not just the big places.

    Most beer stores in PA are simply large warehouse-style establishments with pallets and large shelf units for storage and at best a few cold cases. So the presence or absence of cold cases doesn't impact where I shop.

    It does, however, impact my choices of what to buy and how carefully I check date codes. For example, in the summer I'm much more picky about which bottling dates and/or best by dates I'll allow for a purchase than I am in the winter, even when it comes out of a cold case. I'm also much more likely to buy only recent seasonal releases in the summer. Similarly, cold cases don't guarantee freshness as I've found lots of out of code bottles stored in cold cases.
     
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  11. oldn00b

    oldn00b Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2015 Virginia

    Yes it definitely factors in. Date is a bigger deal for me but I'll buy a slightly older beer if it's likely been stored cold longer.
     
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  12. Bearshawks85

    Bearshawks85 Initiate (0) Jun 12, 2014 Illinois

    Comparing apples and oranges here. Dairy can go bad and make you sick. Beer might not taste as good, but it should not make you sick if it has been sitting on shelves.
     
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  13. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Storage cold is not so much a controlling factor in where I shop because there are not many store choices available to me, but when I go to my stores I'll certainly look in the coolers first for the beer that I want before selecting from the non-cooled shelf.
     
  14. Vason

    Vason Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2008 Ohio

    The grocery store I work at has the cooler space dictated by demand, rather than by style. This unfortunately means that the 12 feet of Pale/IPA shelving I have can't go into the cooler shelves. I've done what I can to mitigate this by making all the IPAs face the open coolers, so while they aren't full-on cold, they can still get down to cellar temp. While I'd love to give all my craft beers a spot on the coolers, the store doesn't have the budget to buy me four 16 foot units, so we have to make do.

    To answer the question, if I'm in another store, no, it doesn't figure in for me, at least negatively. I'd be very impressed if I saw a store that had all their beer in a cooler, though.
     
  15. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    For rotating releases that are days on the shelf no matter where I go, no, it doesn't matter. Same for regular releases that are like a week old in the bottle. Refrigeration just doesn't matter much in these cases.

    For stuff that might be a few weeks or a month old, then I prefer refrigerated source.
     
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  16. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I realize that. :rolling_eyes: The point was it is an economic decision rather than a decision based on keeping best quality product for their customers.
     
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  17. BrettHead

    BrettHead Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    Only one of our 7 distributors doesn't store their beer cold at their warehouse. Several of the distributors use refrigerated trucks (as required in their contracts by the breweries)

    Our store is tiny and we keep all hoppy beer cold all the time. I wish we could do it with all of our beer (except for some Belgians). It can definitely be done if the store cares.

    https://www.facebook.com/BeertopiaOmaha
     
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  18. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,557) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    It definitely does. It's more superstition than anything. If the bottle date is really fresh then it doesn't matter.
     
  19. MUTINY

    MUTINY Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2015 Virginia

    For me, cold storage mostly comes into play when I know that I want to crack open one of my purchases as soon as I get home. From a quality-control standpoint, it's more of a non-factor - I think like most of us, I tend to focus more on the bottling dates.
     
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  20. Dweedlebug

    Dweedlebug Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Stop by an actual distributor or wholesaler some time. They are usually just a warehouse with shelves. Pretty unusual for the entire place to be cooled. They may have a smaller cooler area where they keep some stuff but it won't be their full stock. So how it's stored at the retail level isn't going to make that huge of a difference.

    Also I doubt a grocery store is stocking over 100 different kids of milk like they probably are for beer in any place but the smallest stores. It's just not something that is viewed as perishable at room temp by most retailers.

    I'm in PA so the terms distributor and wholesaler may mean different things where you live.
     
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