Dogfish Head 90 Minute Imperial IPA - Is Smooth a Bad Thing?

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  1. Jingoro

    Jingoro Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2014 New York

    I just tried this beer tonight for the first time and I've had 3 after coming home from a labor job so I'm not entirely sober. I love IPA's, but this beer is too smooth for my liking. I'm used to a bold bitter flavor in IPA's and this stuff has a kinda muted flavor. It's rated so highly on this site and the alcohol is 9%, yet it's so smooth i feel like i'm drinking miller lite's all over again. haven't had one of those in several years. Am I crazy or does anyone else feel too smooth is a bad thing? I have one left in my 4 pack and i think i'll give it to my supervisor since we trade beers.
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  2. SirRainboom

    SirRainboom Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2014 Germany

    Unless you're drinking hard liquor - which by virtue of its alcohol content shouldn't be as smooth I don't see how that is necessarily a bad thing.

    I've pretty much had the opposite experience with the bad stuff, it wasn't smooth at all - it had an obnoxious alcoholic flavor, beer often has having an obnoxious (amount of) carbonation. I've also found myself liking the stronger beers that don't always "remind you" they're strong while drinking them more than those that do.

    But hey, that might as well be a matter of preference so what do I know.
  3. infuturity83

    infuturity83 Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2009 Massachusetts

    90 Minute is a well-known malt bomb of a DIPA.
    I wouldn't call the hops "muted," unless you're drinking an old one, in which case, yes, it would basically become a very smooth barleywine.

    When fresh, 90 Minute is still an excellent beer.
  4. LMT

    LMT Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2009 Virginia

    News Flash: Malt is permitted to be part of a beer's flavor profile.

    90 minute is just a uniquely-styled DIPA. I haven't had one for awhile, but I've always enjoyed it.
  5. SmashPants

    SmashPants Initiate (0) Jun 24, 2012 Australia

    I don't think smoothness is a bad thing - just something a bit different. I actually had this beer for the first time last night, and whilst it didn't have the average American IPAs big, sharp hop notes, I think it show-cased the hops in a different way - the flavours were much more evident than in the big IPAs whilst still being quite strong in flavour. Just my 2 cents.
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  6. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,826) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    It definitely is a fantastic hybrid of English and American IPAs, especially when fresh (or under two months old). Pretty good when not so fresh as well.

    Smoothness is definitely not a bad thing; I glad that beer can have all sorts of shapes sizes and textures. The trick is matching the right one to your mood or craving at the time.
  7. Casterbridge

    Casterbridge Savant (1,031) Mar 26, 2010 Connecticut

    I'd go even smoother: Burton Baton.
  8. LMT

    LMT Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2009 Virginia

    And then, some aged Burton (around 6 months or so). Smooth and subtle, yet wonderful.
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  9. Beertsipper

    Beertsipper Pooh-Bah (1,553) Nov 18, 2008 New York

    I go half DFH 90 with half DFH 60. Very smooth, bold, and unique.
  10. Vogt52

    Vogt52 Initiate (0) May 25, 2014 Maryland

    It's the huge malt background that makes it so smooth
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  11. Derranged

    Derranged Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 New York

    The only issue I see is that a beer that strong is a bit too easy to drink.

    Four years ago I was drinking pints of it at a bar (amongst other beers), got obliterated and wound up puking my brains out. Although at the time I was suffering from vertigo so the symptoms were probably worsened by alcohol.

    Also, recently a friend of mine told me he was pounding pints of it at that same bar and woke up in a neighbor's backyard.
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  12. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    As others have pointed out you may be talking about an aged bottle. Check the date printed on the bottle. They give it a year out from bottling but that’s because the beer is still drinkable that long even though the hop bitterness has mostly faded.

    On the other hand it sounds like you may be dealing with a case of Lapulin Threshold Shift. That’s where drinking lots of strongly bitter beers over time basically causes your taste bud to lose their ability to detect certain hop flavors and lower levels of bitterness, making any beer without a high level of bitterness taste bland or as having muted flavors.
  13. Donco

    Donco Maven (1,453) Aug 12, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Generally don't like IPA's...but really love 90 Minute & Sucks. Guess I'm a malt freak!
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  14. bluehende

    bluehende Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2010 Delaware

    I like 90 minute a lot. It is ,however, not a beer I can pound after a mountain bike ride. 90 minute is a great little sipper. I am so glad brewers make all kinds of ipa's and beers in general. I want different ones at different times.
  15. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,245) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I love 90 minute, and it's exactly because of that smoothness and the malt profile. I don't drink it frequently, but I love it on tap. There are enough hop bombs out there - from DIPAs on down through session IPAs and APAs - that I don't need another one!

    Also, to echo those above: Burton Baton is a fabulous beer. Not so much for the OP, though, if he doesn't like 90 minute. :wink:
  16. Donkster46

    Donkster46 Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2014 Washington

    90 minute is one of 2 beers that got 5 rating from me. Not saying I'm something special but I think it's pretty damn hard to rate a beer a 5.

    On another note everyone has different preferences. 90 minute though is one that seems to be enjoyed by all.
  17. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,520) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    So unique that they actually bottle it and draft it.

    Albeit with a little bit of maple syrup mixed in, still it's a fabulous beer, one of my DFH favorites.
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  18. powpig2002

    powpig2002 Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2012 Florida

    But not at 15 bucks for 4
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  19. ShaneP

    ShaneP Crusader (480) Jan 26, 2013 Indiana

    Nothing wrong with smooth in a DIPA or IPA. It's the brewery's interpretation of the style and they can do what they want. We get to choose what we want to drink.

    It's nice that we can have different interpretations of DIPA to choose from on any given day. 90 minute is an awesome DIPA too. If you want a hop bomb then just choose one of the many out there which are made more to that end of the spectrum.
  20. beerdedking

    beerdedking Pooh-Bah (1,888) Oct 15, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Draft 90 and bottle 90 are two different beers to me. I LOVE it on draft, much hoppier and also has the unfiltered hazy look.
    Bottles on the other hand, are sweeter (more malt) and appear to the eye to have been filtered. Not bad, but I never pass up 90 minute on draft...
  21. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Sly Stone had it right: Different strokes for different folks. And I have it right: If you don't enjoy it, don't buy it again.
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  22. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Pooh-Bah (2,319) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
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    Yea, I am not sure why, but everywhere I have had 90 minute on tap, it is always served in a pint glass, when other beers with similar (or even lower) abv, are served in a 12 oz glass. At 9% abv, it should probably be served in a smaller glass (since 16 oz. of a 9% beer is the equivalent of 12% abv 12 oz pour).
    #22 KingforaDay, Sep 18, 2014
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  23. Nick_Bousquet

    Nick_Bousquet Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2014 Virginia

    ^ This.

    I love 90, but man Burton is such a perfect go-to drink, and in my opinion, highly underrated.
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  24. jamis

    jamis Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2008 Massachusetts

    I have only recently come around to enjoying IPAs and DFH 90-minute was one of the primary beers that I credit with changing my mind. I enjoy it enough that I put a 1/6 barrel of it in my keggerator.

    The higher alcohol maltier DIPAs tend to be my preference, but they have been a gateway into the hoppier and lighter IPAs for me as well.
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  25. Fox82791

    Fox82791 Initiate (0) Jun 20, 2014 New York

    Depends on how you like your IPAs. The 90 minute is one of the few IPAs I can drink, but I'm a dark beer fan.
  26. Dil_thebeerdrinking_do

    Dil_thebeerdrinking_do Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2014 Georgia

    If its overly sweet, its wrong.
  27. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Initiate (0) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina

    I love 90-minute, I always tell people that I consider it a very well balanced DIPA, in case they're a little off-put my big, huge, hoppy IPAs and DIPAs
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  28. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,520) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    Highly underrated and highly priced. I love it too, but damn it's expensive.
  29. Cracker666

    Cracker666 Initiate (0) Nov 3, 2010 Missouri

    Ok fine if it's not to your liking, but when you're comparing 90 Minute IPA to Miller Lite, you need to reasses....... something.
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  30. riverlen

    riverlen Initiate (0) Sep 16, 2009 Illinois

    I've never heard anyone complain before that a beer is too smooth. I love the balance that 90 minute has and it's one of my favs. However, at 9% abv I never have more than one of them at a sitting. Additional beers will be limited to 6%, I don't like the aftereffects of over enjoying the enjoying.
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  31. mychalg9

    mychalg9 Pooh-Bah (2,049) Apr 8, 2010 Illinois

    Down with smooth beers!!!!
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  32. hopsputin

    hopsputin Grand Pooh-Bah (3,787) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey

  33. kwakwhore

    kwakwhore Initiate (0) Nov 1, 2004 North Carolina

    The first IPA I could ever tolerate was 90 minute IPA. Loved the first one I ever had. It was in a big bottle, and I never had one that good in a 12oz. bottle, but I'll still drink one every once in a while. I do wish they would bring Squall IPA back.
  34. Vogt52

    Vogt52 Initiate (0) May 25, 2014 Maryland

    Such a great beer! One of my favorites from DFH
  35. BeerIslander

    BeerIslander Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2014 Washington

    The DFH 90 minute is fantastic... It was the first IPA I loved, and it's on tap (most of the time) at the Treehouse Cafe on Bainbridge Island, which also houses the island's best pizza.
  36. Stagga_Lee

    Stagga_Lee Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2014 Massachusetts

    DFH 90 is a classic brew that helped kick off the IIPA craze...there has definitely been a shift toward hoppier beers in this style. Certainly closer to an English style , hops add aroma more than bitterness. Malts make it sneaky smooth as others have mentioned.
  37. Derranged

    Derranged Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 New York

    I went to a bar that served Piraat (10.5) in pints. Of course this wasn't a craft beer bar, it just had some good beer options. And hell yes I had meself pints of that stuff.
  38. Smoky54

    Smoky54 Zealot (685) Apr 16, 2012 Georgia

  39. mntlover

    mntlover Pooh-Bah (1,978) Jun 30, 2003 Tennessee

    Yep it is overrated but smooth might not be a bad thing.
  40. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    Good (big) beer can hide its booze, and the burn of it deceptively well. I'm leary of beers that hide their booze and go down like water cos I find them terribly easy to drink and make bad decisions with. Oh, you had three and then decided to post about how smooth it was. You know already.
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