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Discussion in 'Beer News' started by jRocco2021, Dec 6, 2012.
Possibly the flavor you're tasting is the house yeast they use.
How is it marketing? Are you talking about blending music with beer? Some of their stuff like fort was made to be the biggest ABV fruit beer but they still tried to make a quality product that was worth purchasing and drinking.
I quite enjoyed my bottle. are you also hating on 60 minute?
I hope Sam finds this thread and shames you all into guilt for being poor advocates of beer. he posted in the 'most overrated brewery' thread awhile back when people were shitting on a lot of the big names in craft beer.
Watch out, here comes Uncle Sam to kick everyone's e-asses!
And you can keep the Fort. That shit was garbage.
PSSSH what is this amateur hour?
So not liking a single beer from a brewery makes one a poor advocate of beer?
I never said it was good, but everybody has a different palate and will like different beers. I think if they pared down the alcohol to about 10-12 percent it would have been pretty good.
have they tried every beer that they make to know that they don't like any of them? I honestly don't care what you or anyone else thinks of them and I'm sure knowing that some people hate on their beers doesn't keep any brewers or owners awake at night. I'm sure they're laughing though, because they get to do something that they're passionate about and get paid for it.
they sound like they're bitching just to bitch though. because they're expanding to meet their demands but some people don't like them so why are so many people buying their stuff that they have a need for more capacity!?!
Wow, why so much hate on a brewery that gets so many people started in craft beer? I don't like everything they make but their motto is "Off centered ales for off centered people" that pretty much sums it up. At least they innovate in a way that doesn't involve barrel aging everything in sight. I for one will be continuing to sample their experiments for better or for worse.
DFH is easily one of my favorite brewers simply because I appreciate Sam's creativity and freedom.
Never in all of my years of drinking craft beer did I think I would EVER see beer advocates, yes, BEER ADVOCATES blindly shitting all over Dogfish Head.
I don't know about some of you but calling a brewery's offerings shit on a forum that is frequented by many in the beer industry, is poor beer advocacy.
You quoted a guy who said he only had one DFH beer he didn't like, and the others were good to above average.
Wow, you didn't care for a beer, so you had to call it shit and garbage. You da man! We need recipes/products from your personal catalogue, so we can finally drink some beer that ain't trash, yo!
The only bad Dogfish beer i've had was my first 75 min experience.. Wayyy too much maple syrup. I have since revisited and it was amazing. Listen folks... hating on dogfish isn't the problem. If they expand and the craft beer bubble bursts thats on them. Its honestly hard to say that 'dogfish sucks' c'mon folks...
The right question, as opposed to haters hating haters being haters.
My answer: I view DFH in the same way as I do Rogue. In my marketplace, and for my taste preferences; DFH beers are overpriced relative to options that I find just as, or more appealing. I'm not going to say their beers are crap. That is silly. But many, I do not care for. The ones that I do enjoy, others make something similar at a more attractive price.
Some people have nothing better to do than hate, so let em'. The universe has its way of taking care of that stuff.
Um comprehension fail. My post you quoted said: "Only really bad beer from them was Ta Henket. All their regular stuff is above average and their ancient ale line is creative and delicious."
Does that sound like 60 minute hate? I have had almost everything they make and enjoyed everything except Ta Henket. WTF is wrong with that?
You guys are special. Short bus special. There are more people in this thread bashing on DFH "haters" than there are actually "haters."
Seriously, only two people in this thread said anything negative about DFH, and I was one of them. The immediate, blind, zealous defense of anything DFH is hilarious to me.
You left out the funniest part of the story: A large percentage of the people were bringing in pieces of wood and, at one point in the night, Sam went out back to where he kept his own stockpile and saw that people were taking from that pile to get free drinks! So hilarious.
If not wanting to be taken seriously was your goal then you went above an beyond.
Sam has seen worse and has replied, looks like you are directing some of this towards the wrong people.
Nope ... they are better at both. Would love to hear what makes these schemes ridiculous.
First off, you can't be "better at both." I did not compare them to another brewery, so your statement doesn't make sense.
Regarding my comment that their marketing schemes are ridiculous, that's obviously my opinion, but I'm not the only one who thinks that way. Check the link:
Ancient recipes, musician collaborations, reality tv show, and an overall focus on "extreme" beers. DFH is like the pop star of craft beer, but someone should really tell them that the quality of beer is not directly proportional to the number of different adjuncts in it. It obviously works for them, but I think a lot of their marketing, branding and public image stuff is a bit silly. That's my opinion, which is shared by many other people who frequent this site. It's not "hate," it's a simple observation.
I do think a lot of their beers are really good (albeit overpriced.) I also think a lot of their beers were a disaster. And I don't think many of their beers could sell themselves, hence the need for the schemes. Brewers lately have this misplaced notion that barrel aging anything, sour anything, or crazy adjuncts will sell more beer, and it allows them to raise the price. The harsh reality is that often times, the beer isn't very good. I have the same criticism of other breweries, including ones I really like.
Seriously all, I'm one guy with some pretty mild opinions. Nobody here hates DFH (yet), or thinks that Sam is an idiot, or any of that. Rather than say things like "haterz gonna hate" or "wait till Sam gets here...", appreciate that some people just don't like pop music.
If you think DFH is adding ingredients to sell beers you're way off- they'd make a ton more money if they just stopped all the crazy beers and pumped out 60 min. all the time.
i don't think he's talking about volume, but more about the perception of 'premium' or 'standout' lines.
i doubt the combined volume of sour beer sold annually in the us matches the volume of sierra nevada pale ale.
I can, if _____ is Dixie White Moose.
The Beatles were a pop group, they did OK. Guess I should hate them, though. I will judge them solely on the merits of their popularity and not the quality of work. Good call.
With a slight tweak Mel Brooks summed this thread up pretty well.
Governor William J. Le Petomane: Holy underwear! Dogfish Head expanding! Innocent people potentially receiving delicious beer! We have to protect our phoney baloney opinions here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph! Harrumph!
BA's who like DFH better watch your ass and give them a Harrumph!
I can say that if it weren't for the Discovery Channel and DFH, I wouldn't even be making this post right now and I certainly wouldn't be brewing at home. If it weren't for 90 minute IPA (@ $10 a 4-pack) being in my local grocery store next to the Budweiser, I probably wouldn't be posting this now either. I'm glad they got big enough to be carried in my HUGE home-town grocer and if they continue to grow so everyone else can also enjoy an Olde School or punkin, good for them! Can I say honestly that every beer they brew is a home run? No. Sierra Nevada is literally carried in every convenient mart, gas station grocery store and every mix in between in AZ and I still LOVE me one of their pales and so do all my friends. Once the beer begins to suffer and or quality control becomes an issue, I welcome bitching. If you can't tell whether or not your brew came from a 10 bbl or 10k bbl batch, who cares?
Exactly...plus from what I understand, Sam doesn't want to become Anheuser-Busch, or even Sam Adams, for that matter. I'd say he cares about quality control, big-time.
Love to see hellhound non limited. Delicious
Come back to Rhode Island! We miss you!
What's extremely delicious is year round Burton Baton!
Yes! Maybe then DFH can re-enter the market I live in. They were here for a brief period, but couldn't maintain it. A total tease. I developed a love of Burton Baton (almost as deep as my relationship with Founder's Red's Rye), which I have only since satisfied through mail orders that killed me on shipping costs.
DFH WorldWide Stout is one of my favorites of all-time and I have to buy it out of state due to the ABV. Wish they would make something like it but a bit lower in ABV.
use the expansion to invent "30 minute session IPA"
Ive seen this.... quite a few times... at first it horrified me, then i threw it in with my cynical gaze at everything, now i think: fuck it...whatever people like..it takes time to decide what you want to do and be and how you will approach the world.
And how lucky we are to be able to even discuss ridiculous beer like 120 Min, much less decide how it must be consumed....most of the world will never have access to 15,000+ beers available in these times ...and even in the U.S. where i am lucky enough to live most living persons spend most of their lives i with FAR fewer choices. Fitting for this thread cause i love Dogfish Head very unabashedly even though, as they themselves admit, many crazier things have gone on in craft brewing since their early days. I won't count many of their beers among my favorites but their success has certainly helped many a smaller/newer brewer either through inspiration or the mere fact that "hey bro ya gotta try this 60 min stuff..." opening doors for drinkers which in turn expands the demand. I think anybody who drinks good beer int he 2000s/2010s owes Dogfish at least a little debt of gratitude.
I wish them well with the expansion.
If anyone thinks that dogfish making a beer that was last brewed TWO THOUSAND YEARS AGO is "gimmicky," then you obviously hate science, and are a huge (insert extremely long list of derogatory words). HEY SAM, THANKS FOR PAYING TONS OF MONEY TO DO THE RESEARCH NECESSARY TO RESURRECT A STYLE OF BEER THAT HASN'T EXISTED IN THOUSANDS OF YEARS. REALLY COOL THAT I CAN DRINK SOMETHING LAST DRANK BY THE PEOPLE BUILDING THE PYRAMIDS, OR BY THE FRIGGIN' ROMAN EMPIRE. OH WAIT, YOU SHOULD JUST MAKE TRIPLE IPAS AND BARREL AGED SOURS INSTEAD, THEN YOU'D HAVE A HIGHER BA RATING.
In caps lock so all the hipsters wearing fake coke-bottle horn rims can read it.
Also, the Pangea beer is cool as sh*t, too. HEY SAM, THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO DRINK WATER FROM ANTARCTICA.
My name is Johnny, and I love Dogfish Head.
Dogfishhead has style thats why they are one if the top breweries. If you got a shit ton of people that like your style your going to get a shit ton of people that hate your style. Hendrix had his own style, sure technically he wasnt a master at singing or a master of guitar but the mother fucker had the heart. Keep making beer dog fish head cuz you got a heart for it