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Dry hop tests with Bud light

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by sergeantstogie, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. sergeantstogie

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    Wanted to let you all know about this. I think it's great. Not only is the idea great but, this whole blog is really good. I like that he waits to post his entries until he has tasted them. It really annoys me reading a recipe and process only to have to check back in weeks or months for the results.

    He took a 12er of BL and dropped hop pellets in then recapped. Why didn't I think of this?

    http://www.bertusbrewery.com/
     
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    I'm absolutely going to try this. My palate could use some hop training.
     
  3. ipas-for-life

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    I've always read that when collecting bottles don't use screw off's. I thought it was because they could not be re capped. Or is it because they allow oxygen in and shouldn't be used for long term storage?
     
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    The glass is thinner so you can't recap them with a bottle capper (like a red baron).
     
  5. samtallica

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    You can but do so at your own risk. I've had them break on me.

    Also, I like the idea of doing this with SNPA instead of bud light. It shouldn't be hard to find a 12 pack that is a few months old that you could dry hop without the cascades getting in the way too much. The end result would definitely be more IPA like and probably much more desirable to drink.
     
  6. sergeantstogie

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    Very true. Though if all you want to know is what qualities you experience from different varieties in the dry hop, Bud is a pretty good vehicle.
     
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    This is really pretty smart -- I may do the same (though probably with a golden ale) for my own new hop experiments.
     
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    I would just assume do it with a light-bodied homebrew.
     
  9. parris

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    Coming from the guy that dry hops his Bud Light...
     
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    Isn't this the idea behind a smash? It would be cheaper and tastier to do this with a neutrally bittered single malt low abv homebrew. Brew up a 5gallon batch and drop a few hop pellets in each bottle prior to capping.
     
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    I'm bertusbrewery, so I figured I would answer some questions, and respond to some opinions...

    Thanks for the kind words. Honestly, it's nice to know all the work is appreciated!

    This was the exact reason I did this. It's not because I actually wanted to drink dry hopped bud light. It works exceptionally well; I highly recommend doing it.

    Day-to-day homebrewing use: No, don't use them. For this purpose, it works fine.

    No, you can. A red baron is exactly what I used.

    I've done this on subsequent trials. It works well. The hop aroma and flavor don't pop as much as they do in the bud light, but it gives you better idea what each hop will taste like in a Pale Ale. I'm using SNPA to test new dry hop recipes for beers. It's very, very useful when tweaking a recipe (.5oz less of this, 1oz more of that, etc).

    You totally could. I'm lazy and impatient. :shrug:

    I'm assuming this is a joke. If it's not: Brilliant insight. My use of Bud Light here is 100% an indication of my knowledge of hops and/or my palate.

    FWIW, Since Chinook is mostly a commodity hops (used for alpha not aroma), it's quality can vary. It can get rather catty when it's not 'good'.

    It would be. It would also be a great idea to brew said batch, dry hop the bottles, and bring to a homebrew club meeting for everyone to try.

    Thanks guys. Fire away if you have any other questions.
     
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    This is a really cool idea... I've always wanted to do something like this with homebrew but never got around to it, mainly because I'm lazy lol.. That and I don't have much time to brew, so when I do I want it to be something I can enjoy, not just learn something from. Plus, I don't want to voluntarily end up with 5 gallons of mostly drain-pour beer.

    However, I have just put an open invite out to my homebrew club to see if there are a few who might want to split the cost of doing this.... I'm hoping there might be some extract brewers who want to see the all-grain process.

    Anyways, thanks for sharing, this is awesome.
     
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    You could split a 5 gallon batch 4 ways on a stovetop and do a bunch of small boils so you also get flavour hops... Interesting idea, I'm just too lazy to do this. I honestly like the Bud Light (or some other blonde ale) idea :)
     
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    One word... randal. Just make one batch of weak sauce and use a randal to change up the hops. This weeek citra, next week galena, the week after maybe some willamette or cascade. And no multiple boils.
     
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    I did this last year in a BJCP class I teach. The main thing we learned from the class was that our local homebrew shop has a lot of old hops that are worthless. This is why I recommend only buying hops from the hop farms or by the pound from homebrew shops right after the hop harvest. Then vacuum seal and store them in the freezer. Or buy them from Nikobrew (no affiliation) who already vacuum seals them and stores them in a freezer for you.
     
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    We did this at our last homebrew meeting, using amstel light (non of us could bring ourselves to drink budlight). It was an interesting concept. Some were pretty noticiable, some not so much.
     
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    Did this change the flavor of the Bud Light or just the smell?
     
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    oh, absolutely. I buy all the hops I need for the year during the harvest, and store them in vacuum sealed mason jars in the freezer. I realize that not many brewers will have roughly 12 fresh varieties on hand, but it'll still work with a few.

    Definitely. It tastes like a very hoppy light lager. It's nothing you'll want to be drinking for pleasure. It's purely a vehicle to experiement with hops.
     
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    TBF, I've had other types of bottles break on me too. Sam Adams bottles seem to be a little more fragile than the SN bottles. That may be coincidental, this is not from a scientific study or anything. I still use the SA bottles, FWIW, I'm just extra careful with them. \

    Also, TBF, I've occasionally broken the top of a bottle popping the lid, sometimes with a designated bottle opener. So design of bottle, design of capper, care of use, and design of bottle opener all probably play a role in how fragile bottles are.

    Possibly. However, yesterday I did find a bottle of celebration that was several months old and had been left outside. I popped the top and tried it, and surprisingly it was still pretty good. Not a whole lot of the flavor had died. Mind you it's been pretty cool here, but regularly into the 70's tho (the bottle WAS in the shade tho). I didn't have a bottle for side-by-side comparison. But I wonder how fast SN products lose their flavor, and if it's enough to perform this test on.

    This is more what I would probably do. I'd use my blonde ale because it's not heavily hopped and it's not dry hopped at all. It's mild and would certainly respond strongly to having a gram or two of hops dropped directly in the bottle. In fact I may have to try this on the next batch!
     
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    I can tell a huge difference between fresh SNPA and 2 or 3 month old SNPA, although I will admit that the hop character of their IPAs doesn't degrade as fast as something like Stone IPA or Two Hearted. Of course, their IPAs have substantially less dry hop character than the latter two.
     
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    I have a Bud clone lagering for our club challenge... I don't really want 5 gallons of Bud, so after I fill the competition bottles I now know what to do with the rest of the batch.
     
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    Do you think it would be ok to use yuengling regular or light for this as well? And how long would you wait before trying?
     
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    I just did this, although I used Pacifico for the beer. Pry off caps, and a cheap, fizzy lager I can drink. Used Cascade, Hallertaur, EKG, Apollo, HBC 342, Mosaic, Palisade, Northdown, Galaxy, Pacific Gem, Pacific Jade, and Nelson Sauvin.
     
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    Yuengling's flagship is the Traditional Lager (so, assuming that's what you mean by "regular") and it's light equivalent is Light Lager. You'd probably want to use Yuengling Light Beer (extreme right below) as their product closest to Bud Light.

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    Okay thanks. I've never seen that light option here in Florida. I'm not particularly looking for something similar to bud light. I enjoy yuengling traditional light. I'm sure this will work fine. Anyone have a recommendation on time to let the hops work?
     
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    If you read the article in the link I posted, it's in there.
     
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    I'm skeptical. If my beer is going to smell like hops, I want some bitterness in there too. I like the "old" SNPA idea.
     
  28. sergeantstogie

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    Again, the idea is not for improving upon a beer for consumption but for the evaluation of aroma provided by dry hopping. While I think anyone who may read this will agree that SNPA is favorable to Bud Light, SNPA has too much that will get in the way to truly evaluate what a new hop variety brings to the table.
     
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    The guys at Anchor brewing do this already. They have said that they have bud light in their fridge at the brewery for this purpose. Must be something to it if the pros are doing it to evaluate hop flavors. Makes sense though.....bud light is as close to a flavorless beer as you can get, so I would imagine that anything you put in there is really gonna come through.
     
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    If you uncapped them and then recapped, wouldn't you run a risk that the beer could do bad?
    ...Oh. Nevermind.
     
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    Anyone have any thoughts on using Amstel Light instead? I really want to try this but I don't know if I can bring myself to purchase Bud Light. Does BL have any advantage over AL for this purpose?
     
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    i'd use sam light. the cicerone exam uses sam light as a fairly tasteless lager for off-flavor detection/tasting.
     
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    I'd imagine just about any of the flavorless macros would achieve basically the same thing. I've actually been keeping an eye out for old pale ales/IPAs to do this experiment with.
     
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    I'm going to prepare bottles to do this at our May Brew Club Meeting. I'm stoked. Will be doing a 2x 12 packs of Bud, with each beer utilizing a different hop, as I thought it might be fun to do a 12 pack the usual suspects for hoppy beers (Citra, Amarillo, Galaxy, Simcoe, etc.) and then do a second 12 pack of European varietals (Hallertaus, Saaz, Tettnanger, etc.).
     
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    I'm wondering if Amstel will have too much flavor for the experiment. I used to drink Amstel all the time before I was enlightened so I am very familiar with the taste. When I think of Bud Light I don't think "flavorless" I think "shitty" but that might be because I haven't tasted it since high school.

    I'm going to put an order in for hops today from Northern Brewer... I just have to decide which beer to use.
     
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    I dry hopped a 12 pack of Amstel today. I'll post the results in a few days.
     
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    Our club did this last night, using a local store brand brewed by a local brewery. Not quite as macro-ish as Bud Light, but close enough, and no twist off caps. We used whole hops, since our first experiment with pellets was an unmitigated disaster (foaming everywhere, impossible to filter out particulate, etc.). It worked very well. You could definitely tell the hops apart, each being very distinct. Good fun, and educational. FYI, we used a paint strainer cut into strips to cover the mouth of each bottle, and decanted into a pitcher before tasting, and obviously left some beer unaltered as a control.
     
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    How long did you let the hops dryhop in the bottle?
     
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    I did mine with pellets, but added a drop of biofine to each bottle. Ended up working out great. The pellet matter sits at the bottom of the bottle in a day or two (I mixed end over end a couple times over the course of the 7 day dry hop before leaving to crash in the fridge).
     
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    About three weeks, refrigerated.
     
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