Eclipse Worth The Price?

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  1. DavoleBomb

    DavoleBomb Poo-Bah (2,463) Mar 29, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    The only one that I though was worth the price was the EC18. For all the Eclipses, the base stout is weaksauce and the barrel aging is outstanding.
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  2. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    you kidding? i've been admitting that for a year and a half.

    and i've been labeled a troll for saying it, especially by the brewer. :angry: :angry: :angry:
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  3. mindspin315

    mindspin315 Initiate (194) Feb 23, 2011 New Jersey
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    Exactly how I feel, the barrel qualities seem to be awesome but the base beer is way to thin and bland
  4. abecall98

    abecall98 Devotee (448) Aug 11, 2007 California
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    Not much beers are worth 35$. So, no.

    Great beer for 20$ or so though.
  5. xnicknj

    xnicknj Initiate (0) May 25, 2009 Pennsylvania

    if they were around $20, i would say yes, especially the EC versions. there's not too many beers out there that're really worth $30+ but if you have the extra money for them, i say "why not?"
  6. bhir

    bhir Initiate (0) Nov 1, 2011 Pennsylvania

    I paid $25/btl - loved the 4 Roses and the Rittenhouse Rye. Didn't care much for the Brandy and thought the Grand Cru lacked carbonation. Still waiting to open the EC12 and EC18.
  7. hopsbreath

    hopsbreath Initiate (0) Aug 28, 2009 Oregon

    You're not the only one who's been saying that. The '10 EW bottle I rated was good but I had a few sub-par bottles of it afterward as well. FR, RR, and CB also showed quality issues that year with the Christian Brothers varying from bad to really bad. The variation was supposedly fixed in '11 but the four variants I tried at a tasting were laughably sub-par to virtually every other stout in the room. If there are better bottles than the ones I tried I wouldn't know since I'm not dumping that much money on the chance of getting a good bottle. Thin, translucent, charred bombers of stout for $25? I don't get the fascination. Several better barrel aged stouts are out there for less money.
  8. azorie

    azorie Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    no bomber or RIS at less than 10% adv is worth more than 15 tops. IMHO. I do not care how long its aged and I don't care what its aged in. If the base beer is not great the age don't help.
  9. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    I just had the 2010 ( I think, it was last years release not this years) Brandy on my birthday and I really enjoyed it. I had the 2010 (same note) BT and it was a hot boozy mess. But I gotta say, no. Not worth the price.
  10. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Savant (953) Nov 13, 2008 Georgia
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    Very, very few beers $20+ are worth buying more than one or two. There are too many cheaper options.
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  11. RStang13

    RStang13 Initiate (105) Jun 22, 2011 New Jersey
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    Itotally agree with one exception, I bought 2 bottles of Fruet at 30 a piece, one to drink and one to age. After drinking the first one I couldn't help but open the second. Bought another to age, drank that one too. I swear I'm going to age this fourth bottle but I'm a weak, weak man :slight_smile:
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  12. azorie

    azorie Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    nah beer is meant to be drank not looked at in the cellar, take a picture and remember it later.:wink:
  13. AleDaddy

    AleDaddy Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2012 New Jersey

    Certainly Worth it.
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  14. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,610) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    So you base the 'worth' on ABV? What? That makes less than zero sense.

    I know scores on BA mean about as much as "Don't buy anything in 22 oz. bottles under 10% ABV over $15" but the scores on the Eclipse variants are wildly at odds with most of the posters here.

    But bash away! The lower the trade value, the more I can greedily drink, this is one of my favorite BA series. And I can tell you that the Chicago shelves would be bare of Eclipse if I were in the vicinity!
  15. OSUBeerStudent

    OSUBeerStudent Initiate (0) May 2, 2008 Washington

    The scores don't take into account cost, so no, they're not at odds with the opinions here. The question isn't whether the Eclipses are good, it's whether they're worth $35 a pop.
  16. knightlypint

    knightlypint Initiate (0) Apr 18, 2012 New Jersey

    Of course we're all free to do as we please.

    No way I would pay that much for a bottle of beer, my experience has trended toward an inverse relationship between price and enjoyment. I've been drinking craft beer for 30 years and can honestly state few of the high-priced beers (if any) match up against a $2.19 half-liter of Zywiec Porter (after sitting in my fridge for about 3 months).

    There's the $3.99 half-liter of Weinstephaner Vitus.

    There's Harviestoun Engineers Reserve at $5.99 for an 11.2 oz bottle, not many beers can stand up to it.

    I bought about a case of Samuel Smith Stingo over the last 6 months, at $12.99 per pint. That's about my price limit. It's not that I'm cheap or don't have the money to buy expensive beers, I've just been disappointed too many times by them. I won't name specific disappointments because they're trendy beers, most of them are American.
  17. BearsOnAcid

    BearsOnAcid Savant (957) Mar 17, 2009 Washington
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    I know you have. And I've been right there with you. Its just hard to speak over the majority. If they only produced the EC version I'd probably have no problems with Eclipse other than the ridiculous price.
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  18. azorie

    azorie Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    hehe its just price based really. i just don't think any bomber is worth more than 15, I could give them so lee way at over 15% though, lol. Mainly I just think all this beer is OVER priced.

    I used to buy Cantillon, until it got so expensive and its one the BEST Beers in the WORLD period. I used to buy Westy mail order for 6 then 7 then 8 a pop nows its 25 or more I stopped buying it.
  19. FUNKPhD

    FUNKPhD Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2010 Texas
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    The answers are all over the place as far as which varieties are good and which are not, which are worth it and which are not. I've never had any of them, but based on the reactions and answers, I would pass. No beer is worth that much if opinions of it are so varied.
  20. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,610) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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  21. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,610) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    ...but if you read the whole thread, there are plenty of people who dislike the beers independent of price. "Thin", "mess", "sub-par", "joke", "weak", you could start a dictionary of how to express disdain for the series.

    And I'm glad to see you're avatar crying after my lowly Twins laid a busting on them last night. :grinning:
  22. mattsander

    mattsander Zealot (558) Feb 3, 2010 Alberta (Canada)
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    Brandy was my least favorite variant, EC18 was fantastic.

    As a Canadian who loves BA stouts, $35 is expensive but doable.
  23. Zhiguli

    Zhiguli Aspirant (245) Jul 12, 2012 California

    well now i feel like a schmohawk
  24. gregmoscetti

    gregmoscetti Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2009 California

    nope... just too much dough at $35 a bottle. $20 is the most I'd pay for them. that said, they must make a killing hustling those beers. the "horizontal" is the best gimmick in craft beer
  25. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    can anyone who is praising the beer confirm that bottle variation has been fixed?

    my complaint with eclipse was that the bottles i had were crappy; however, in seeing that reviews are all over the place, i gave 50/50 the benefit of the doubt and chalked it up to bottle variation. i was later heartened to see a few other posters say this.

    but the brewer, todd ashman, jumped down my throat when i mentioned bottle variation. and i'm curious to see if he quietly fixed it (without admitting it, natch) or if he's just plowing ahead with "fuck you levitation" as his battle cry.

    i mean i'm sure they'll get a pass on year-over-year qc problems unlike some other breweries... but let's put that aside and answer the fundamental question: fixed or not? (and please refrain from using the word "troll")
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  26. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I haven't personally encountered any that was noticeable, although I also haven't had more than a handful of any given variety.
  27. GregSVT

    GregSVT Savant (905) Jul 1, 2009 Texas
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    EC18 was indeed fantastic but I don't think it's worth more than the futures price which was around $22 I believe. I thought 4 Roses was had no barrel flavor and only tasted like a stout with honey in it. The 2011 Rye was the same way. I've heard the Eclipse bottles have a lot of bottle variation though.

    Edit: I had the 2009 Rye and thought it was amazing so something was definitely not right.
  28. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,610) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Ditto, never noticed any when the beers were fresh. But given the relatively short life of it being excellent vs. other bigger stouts, it's hard to tell if something is bottle variation vs. losing a step due to aging. But I've had the Rye several times since it's release, from fresh to 18 months +, & it's been a pretty steady decline.
  29. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    I honestly don't think these decline as much as people say. I had an 18 a few weeks ago and it was still great. A few months ago I had the PVW and it was among the best BA stouts I've ever had. I've heard nothing but that it's on a steep decline, so either people are wrong or that beer was a goddamn elixir of the gods fresh. (And all of the various vintages I've had have been consistently good.)

    This is all even weirder because I am about as bearish on aging as anyone on this site. I just posted in a thread saying not to age CBS because it crashed harder than a freight train into a brick wall. But the consensus that Eclipse drops fast and hard is just not consistent with my experience.
  30. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    you're also pretty new to beer, aren't you? "among the best i've had" may not be a lot.

    telling people not to age a coffee beer doesn't make you bearish on aging. and fyi, cbs has a lot of bottle variation too... so that may be overshadowing any 'aging' effects.
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  31. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    Well over a year in, over 1300 beers tried. I think the only well regarded BA stouts I haven't had are Kaggen and BA DL. (Also, you seem to post this in response to something I've said every few months. How long does someone need to be at it to be qualified to give an opinion?)
    On here it does. (Also that wasn't necessarily used an indication of bearishness, I just thought it was funny timing-wise.) I hadn't heard anything about bottle variation before, and the bottles I had were stretched out over a long-ish period of time so I wouldn't have noticed anyway.
  32. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    i just don't take most sweeping / absolute statements very seriously, so it's not personal.

    my impression is that you post a lot but don't have a lot of experience with beer (kind of like adamjackson), but numbers-wise i seem to be wrong on that. then again, i think most beer learning comes from experience over time and not just getting in a huge number of ticks quickly... but i'm in the minority on that.

    really? i thought the two things most ba's agree on are: don't age ipas (well, except ephraim in a growler) and don't age coffee beers (unless they're rare and will make good trade bait).
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  33. stupac2

    stupac2 Zealot (518) Feb 22, 2011 California
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    That's fair, but how much time? I'm honestly curious about that. (Also, I've been around way longer than Adam Jackson.)

    I think the average BA believes that all beers age well, or at least "turn into" other beers.
  34. Treebs

    Treebs Initiate (0) Apr 18, 2011 Illinois

    So you're saying those high ABV IPAs I've been cellaring wont turn into barleywines?!
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  35. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,610) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Funny stuff. I'm on the opposite end, I love to age BA stouts, & these to me are one of the few that just don't hold up for me. On the other hand, I've never had the PVW, & the 18 is holding up really well. The drop is most noticeable in the Brandy, Four Roses, & Rye.
  36. RobbieMikey

    RobbieMikey Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2012

    Eclipse is good...but not worth the 'bottle price'. I'll drink it if they have it on tap though. Then move on to a better Nogne O RIS!
  37. Siggy125

    Siggy125 Devotee (457) Nov 10, 2006 California
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    I don't hear anyone talking about one's disposal income which I feel is a significant element here. $20-30 is not much money for some and quite a bit for others. That aside, IMO, most Eclipse variants are worth the original mark of $20-25 or so but not what some are trying to resell them for. Especially when you know 50/50 will burp another batch in a few months.
  38. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    I've only had the EC12.

    It was incredible.
  39. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    Our tasting group did all of them about a month ago including the iced.

    Making a super cru out of all of them was tasty, but other than that, the winners were EC 12/18, Cru, Iced in my opinion. Now when you take into account what people are trading Iced for, it becomes laughable.

    As mentioned above, they certainly aren't terrible but its a tall order given the price tag.
  40. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    A lot of folks at the aforementioned tasting seemed to favor the EC 12, EC 18 and Iced... someone can correct me if I'm wrong there. That was a few months ago. The EC 18 was my favorite of the lineup and one of the best beers I had that night. I'm not sure I would shell out $30+ for any of the other variants.
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