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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by cactusleon, Feb 4, 2013.
Or do a shit job as a manger and needs to be replaced.
Thats pretty much what I was eluding to.
if you don't think 12 non-employee customers also know this you are out of your mind! Wait. How the hell do non-employees know this?? Is there a special website... www.insideinfowhenspecialreleasesarriveatyourbottleshop.com that I need to know about? Or are they camping out on the truck dock? Please educate me! I went into a Whole Foods for Sucaba one year and was told it never hit the shelves because employees bought it all when it arrived. C'mon now. I'm a little ignorant but....
Lots of ways! They talk to the stores, they read the internet, they call distributors, they follow the trucks, they talk to the brewery, the log into facebook, they read twitter, they camp out, they..... its really not all that hard if you put in even a little effort.
I can't think of a single beer released in my market that I have not been able to get even if its wasn't at my store (we don't get everything).
the beer store I frequent does this for super limited stuff too, I really like it even though I have not won yet.
Well, the camping out and chasing trucks is a bit extreme. Some of us have lives. But I've done most of the other things you've listed at one time or another, with similar results.
I think the guy you're responding to is saying that, if store employees buy all of a given beer as soon as it arrives, what's a poor schmuck to do. If that's actually true, I have to agree. If I found out that the employees at my local WFM had snagged every single bottle of a given beer, I'd be calling the store manager and urging everyone in my area to do the same.
Now I will agree with you this is wrong, you can't let employees take everything.
It's been said in ways so I'll echo the call. If the employees are buying everything, the business isn't really losing business...they just have a customer base that also works there. Think about it, the beer gets sold either way for the same price (assuming employee discounts aren't in play I would imagine on limited releases), owner is happy.
I'm sure a good deal of BAs out there claim they leave stores that pull the one over on them, but would return in a heartbeat if they heard ______ limited release was being put on or currently sitting on their shelves.
What store was this? Was it Wine World of East Brunswick?
Here when things are very hard to get we usually let the customers get first opportunity. I did not take any Sucks the first or second shipment that we received.
i do recall this happening, where someone asked me for Sucks and when i went to the back i was told that it was being held for ANOTHER CUSTOMER NOT AN EMPLOYEE.
I hope this helps.
At wine world we really try to take good care of our craft beer customers.
wow, I must really be behind the times. You damn youngsters
I see both sides but I have to support the shops that allow their employees to get in the same line with the clients. Think about it. If they never taste than how can they become more knowledge?
I have found when you treat people with the respect they deserve then they will treat you right. Get on a first name basis with the folks....that got me hopslam this year. Slide the guy a twenty....it works. Invite them to a cook out and they bring better beer.
Tough sledding these days so treat all with respect.
Attitudes like this make me want to come to your bar. Hell, I'd buy a glass for your bartender if he was a good guy. I'm guessing these other guys speaking differently are just part timers and have no stake in the business. Kind of proves the interchangeable thing...
The local craft beer store around here allows the employee's to buy as many bottles of a limited release as they want before they're even put on shelves.
Luckily, All of the workers there are 18-20 year old girls who care nothing about beer beyond bud light lime.
that's what i did.
This is a good post.
For non chain bottle shops, where I've got to know the owner/beer managers I would never just buy the one bottle. With all the choices out there I selected them because of their service, selection and occasional nice limited "want" available. Am I pissed this new wave of young Facebook watchers still in school snatches up the single bottles without buying anything else leaving me dry? A little. There is no perfect formula but a lot of independent stores may have something like 30% does 70% of the business and catering to the pickers isn't good business. Especially if the pickers are part time employees who snatch up 9 of the 12 bottles in a one case allocation. The owner and full timers can have their share, they are the ones who probably built the relationship with the suppliers in the first place.
no, it was not wine world, i dont want to say the name in the thread because its a good store that i will continue to shop at, and its not meat to badmouth them, just wanted opinions on this type of situation
Ok, just wanted to make sure because that story sounded familiar.
You should come check us out. you will not be disappointed by the selection or the customer service.
if im ever in the area for work ill stop by, is this the place i havve seen behind the best buy? or near it? or am i way off lol
Not that place, but near it.
We are around a mile south of Best Buy, right next to Dunkin Donuts. We're between Guitar Center and Sleepys.
682 Route 18 North.
i know exactly where it is, ill stop in next time im around
Great! We have a nice selection, and get most of the tough-to-find allocated beers.
Another great plus is that we have a make-your-own 6 pack wall. It's a great way to try new beer! We have a bunch of employees who are really passionate craft beer drinkers so we know our stuff and can give recommendations, and help out.
My distributor sales a few fairly desirable limited releases, soon to sale the rest of GI, southern tier and FFF... I don't get any preferential treatment at retailers "so to speak" I just happen to know where beer shows up from us and everyone else and have a chance to buy it before others. One of my accounts got 1 case of oak aged espresso yeti and I happened to be there when the truck came in. That account sales 2000+ cases of beer a week...
Ultimately, those of us who work in the beer business are going to get more chances to obtain limited releases than anyone else. We have better relationships with the accounts than just about everyone else... Just the way the world works. If I can help an account get BA Bigfoot, they are more likely to hold a bottle of something for me...
I have no problems with employee's getting first dibs on releases. My problem with this is when these limited releases are still "stashed" 6 months after the beer has come and gone. If you can't buy it within a 2 paycheck period, then put the beer on the shelf.
fair enough. although I wasn't terribly specific, if we just got 1 case of something be it 12 bottles, 4 6-packs or 6 4-packs, I wouldnt do that, because you're right, it would be wrong of me. And I would abide the store policy on something that small and limited. On the other hand if we got a larger stock, say 20-30 cases, I would be more inclined to take an extra
Simple, as most people have said here, employees should have the same limits as customers. Especially since they have first dibs on it.
Dude something is wrong with you. To say that as a beer lover, I should not be allowed to purchase even one bottle simply because I work there is absurd. Ridiculous. Preposterous.
That I should not be allowed to enjoy something that I've been waiting for just as long and as patiently as everyone else, only for the reason that I work there is just a fantastic journey of selfishness on your part.
I would happily buy an extra bottle just to make sure a crybaby like you couldn't have yours
I'm so sorry you're scarred for life cause you had to wait 2 weeks to have your very own Air Jordans. We cant all live in your ideal retail utopia.
Hey guess what. I love beer. I work at a store that sells beer.
I'm going to buy beer.
Dealing with crazy general public, busting my ass on a daily basis, and dealing with elitist pricks gives me the right to buy a special release when it comes out.
Go cry about it.
completely agree in this instance
I completely agree. In this scenario that is totally wrong. Like I said before... If 12 bottles come in, 11 customers are getting one
Dealing with the public (crazy or not) busting your ass and dealing with elitist pricks (I.e. the public) seems to be your job duties.
It certainly entitles you to a pay check. I dont see how it entitles you to anything else.
If you see your customers as crazy and elitist pigs, I think you should consider a different career path.
I just bought a case of Nugget Nectar that my store just got in today.
There is never a case limit for customers, though, and we got 10 cases of the stuff.
I honestly would feel bad if i bought all of the beer my store got for a release
Thats not what I said. I said the fact that you jockey a hand truck shouldn't entitle you to purchase limited releases before the customers.
I always abide by the bottle limit, maybe ill pick up two if I really wanna age a bottle. But packs are always one. It's just not right to other beer geeks out there. I don't care who calls BS. I hate customers who come in and buy out the shelf, it's just fucked up. I'm a beer geek and I'm very grateful for my position where I know what's coming in.
Enjoy it. NN is my favorite. It should hit my area this Thursday. I am looking forward to picking up a couple of cases.
I buy the allocations set for customers and when we pull it off limited quantities sometimes I get more sometimes I don't. The reality is the people who work at these place also love beer. At least in my state all the products are payed for in cash by the bossman before we can sell them, and he can do what he wishes with the goods he purchased. Some store owners allow employees to abuse that and some don't employees should put the customer over themselves MOST of the time. Like I said most of them love beer as well, not only that but you have to have had a beer to sell it effectively to customers. Unfortunately no matter what there policy retailers are under a lot of scrutiny and will NEVER please everyone but, its all a matter of how customers are treated.
If I have a personal six of Hopslam in the back I may give someone a single out of my six pack. Or I may just say we are sold out. Sometimes I decide I'm not gonna have enough money/time to drink what I have on layaway and put it on the shelf.
no, you did say that. You said exactly that. You said exactly those words. I said what happens when 12 bottles come in? You said sell all 12. That employees should not be allowed to buy even one.
Speaking of elitist pricks..
I've seen you and other people put this opinion forth numerous times in this thread. Why do you think that because people work at liquor stores they are uneducated and have a crappy job? I for one am proud to say I'm a beer guy for some stores. Do I make a ton of money? Lord no, but I work hard every day studying my product, getting my store ready and hand selling my product because I want to actually move up in this industry. We are not all peons who just throw boxes around all day. I do appreciate the elitist opinion you and others have had for awhile, but I'm going to keep studying my beer so I can be at the top of something that you only call a hobby.
An employee is no 'worse' than the guy who refreshes Facebook on delivery day every 3 minutes or calls the place countless times before stuff is released. No worse than the dude who buys cases of a limited release. No worse than the guy who gets his gf and two friends to get him extra allotments because good enough isn't good enough.
People who go out to eat are unhappy, but normal? Those who go to bars are abnormal, but happy? My God. I never realized. And what's wrong with an occasional douche? They facilitate my ejections.