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  1. KevinGordon

    KevinGordon Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2012 North Carolina

    I've agreed with all the points about employees hoarding. If my store gets 12 bottles of CBS I'm going to buy 1 bottle. If you think I shouldn't buy 1 bottle just because I work there, then go fuck yourself. Seriously. If my store is gonna go bankrupt because I bought 1 bottle instead of a crybaby like Sammy, then it wasnt a good store to begin with. however my store is awesome. Dont hate the players. Hate the game.
  2. Shagtastic

    Shagtastic Initiate (0) Jul 30, 2011 Indiana

    I must have misunderstood your use of the term jockeying a cart. I suppose it was one of utmost reverence. Anyone who cannot find joy in selling craft beer to people chose the wrong industry. I personally love my job and know many many beer guys who do as well. The job does not suck, it just isn't for some people.
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  3. StylzMC

    StylzMC Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2012 Yukon (Canada)

    Are you the store owner? If the store owner lets you, fine. If he says "sell them all" and you still buy one, dick move, bro. Anyways, that wasn't my point. You said he's 100% wrong... He's not. Read what you want to read, man. You obviously are only here to bask in this hate you've created. But it's okay, we'll all forget about you tomorrow.
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  4. KevinGordon

    KevinGordon Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2012 North Carolina

    As I previously stated, I love my job. I love beer. I love buying great beer. I try to be fair to my customers all the time, but as I also said, you will never please 100% of the people 100% of the time. If I buy 1 bottle then 11 people will be happy instead of 12. That 12th person is going to be the moneymaker for my store? Earth to Sammy, LOTS of people are going to be disappointed that we sold out. Making that 1 extra person happy isnt a make or break situation. We dont even do lists or saves or callbacks or emails. First Come First Serve. Come get your shit. You snooze you lose. Simple as that.

    And yes Shag, Sammy was being very derogatory towards people in this industry. He feels we should pacify crybabies like him at all times instead of ever being rewarded for our own hard work, research, and patience.
  5. andrewinski1

    andrewinski1 Savant (941) Apr 14, 2009 New Hampshire

    Someone used that rationale to explain not tipping well. That was great.
  6. andrewinski1

    andrewinski1 Savant (941) Apr 14, 2009 New Hampshire

    It's not like employees of beer stores are drinking the first couples sips of every beer you buy...(I realize that was a joke but it's the internet)
  7. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Aspirant (244) Sep 21, 2012 Texas
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    You don't think the staff asks the cooks to put together stuff the restaurant doesn't sell to the general public?

    Those kinds of perks exist in every business except McDonald's, where they fire you for that. True story.
  8. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    ...So how do you guys feel about brewery employees getting access to every special release that the brewery puts out?
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  9. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    its kinda funny, but mcdonalds is more successful than all of those restaurants lol
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  10. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    well a brewery isnt a retail establishment, im all for them getting the beer they made or help make before everyone, its their own product, they also arent making all this beer and only having their employees get it
  11. KevinGordon

    KevinGordon Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2012 North Carolina

    if you think no server or expediter or line cook has ever munched a fry or two off of your plate before it reaches your table, then you are smoking crack
  12. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Aspirant (244) Sep 21, 2012 Texas
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    You're drawing a completely artificial line.
  13. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    well they may have but ive never went to a restaurant, ordered fries to have them tell me, yeah we got fries but hey are all spoken for by our employees
  14. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    care to elaborate?
  15. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Aspirant (244) Sep 21, 2012 Texas
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    You're just saying it's different because it's a brewery because you say so.
  16. aasher

    aasher Poo-Bah (2,568) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    I am a Purdue University alum, the corporate beer buyer for my company, sell well over $1,000,000 worth of CRAFT, make record profits for my company, and make good money myself. I also can afford to spend over $3,000 a year at my stores, which makes me a pretty big customer.

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  17. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    no im saying its different because its its a brewery cause thats my opinion and thats what he asked for, and i gave reasons why i believe that way
  18. BillyLrsn

    BillyLrsn Initiate (0) Oct 12, 2012 Minnesota

    OP, what would you of rather had from that store? At least the guy was honest. He could of just told you it was all gone and he did not realize it until he went into the back room. You went into what is not a "mom and pop store", a business day after it was delivered 8 six-packs of a really good beer at an affordable price. How long did you expect them to last?

  19. KevinGordon

    KevinGordon Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2012 North Carolina

    dude seriously. I've completely agreed that employees should never hoard ALL the supply.
    You're right. We shouldnt and we don't at my store. Theres only a couple of us who want or can afford anything special anyways. The Whole Foods example is a great example of what should not happen. But at the same time, dedicated beer nerds should be able to get their fair share along with the rest of the customer base. The fact that we work in the industry should not be a dis-qualifier.

    My ass is going to bed.
  20. Smurf2055

    Smurf2055 Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2011 Washington

    If an employee is not allowed to buy the beer they receive at their store (employees are customers too), and it is something they want, they will go to other places to try to get it and put money directly into the hands of their competition. Just some food for thought.
  21. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    i wasnt expecting it to be there, i already stated in the thread i shouldnt have waited the extra day, i just figured i would ask while i was in the store and he said he had it, then pretty much said its gone, i understood completely, its a good store that i visit frequently, i just wanted to know opinions on how others feel sabout situations like this that are even probably much worse than mine, that happen more often
  22. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    my main problem isnt with employees buying the beer, while i would be against hoarding, i am just against the employee holding it if u have a paying customer ready to buy it
  23. draheim

    draheim Poo-Bah (2,408) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Having read all nine pages of this thread, I have completely changed my position on this issue.
    As of this moment I no longer give a flying fuck.
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  24. megamass

    megamass Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2008 New Jersey
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    I agree with this 100%
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  25. draheim

    draheim Poo-Bah (2,408) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    That's because it's an undeniable fact. But it changes nothing. The beers we're talking about are going to sell 100%.
    This isn't about where the money's coming from, it's about where the beer is going.
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  26. raynmoon

    raynmoon Crusader (728) Aug 13, 2011 Colorado
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    I work at a restaurant actually, for 3 years. It has never happened where I work. BUT I am fully aware of terrible employees out there. It's one of the reasons why I only go to "mom and pop" restaurants.

    On the occasional blue moon, we get have a bite or two of a special for dinner. That is about it.

    Having said all of this, If i worked at a Bevmo that only got 2 cases of Sucks, I'm sure I'd attempt to at least get a six pack. Probably on my off time though.

    Good thing It's in abundance here in Nor Cal =}
  27. channels321

    channels321 Initiate (124) Apr 16, 2012 Texas
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    Nobody, customer or employee, should ever be able to buy a limited release beer until after I have had the opportunity to buy it first. I am entitled to get everything.:wink:

    No but seriously I have no problem if an employee wants to buy a limited beer before it hits the shelves. As long as they are paying the same and following the same allocations as I am I do not see a problem, they love beer and want to try things just like I do.

    And this as well vvvvvv
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  28. MinnesotaMoon

    MinnesotaMoon Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2013 Minnesota

    Working at a bottle shop has to have perks: get the jump on delivery dates is one of them. I have no problem with that. An owner has to keep the balance of happy employees and happy customers-not an easy task sometimes. As a customer if there is a bottle you really want you have to have many sources scouted out and better your odds of getting one. You cannot and should not ever feel it is your right to have first dibs b/c you are the customer. World does not work like that. Sometimes you get it sometimes you don't... It's just beer and there are a ton of great ones out there. My humble suggestion is either trade for the stuff you could not get or hope your buddies will share with you or apply for a job to get the beer perks.
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  29. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Yes, a brewery is definitely a retail establishment.
  30. megamass

    megamass Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2008 New Jersey
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    I am against employees buying all/hoarding special releases but they are customers too. Employees have ever right to get these special releases but also the stores should have a responsabilty to get them special beers to customers. Employees have an inside edge but thats just how it is some might not think its fair.
  31. TheSaboteur

    TheSaboteur Initiate (0) Sep 20, 2010 Nebraska

    You know why I work part-time at a bottle shop? Here's a hint: It's not for the $8.50 an hour.
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  32. cactusleon

    cactusleon Initiate (155) Mar 4, 2006 New Jersey

    its debatable, but they are the manufacturers of the beer, they ship it out to retail stores or wholesalers, now if that brewery has a retail shop on premis, thats a different story, but technically the brewery itself isnt retail, i guess also it depends on which brewery
  33. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Most beer nerds who work in beer stores are just that... beer nerds. To follow this beer nerd logic, they (probably) spend way more money than people who cherry pick bottle shops for special releases. Should they buy up all special allocated releases? Hell no. Should we hate on them for dedicating their working lives to helping us find, and appreciate great craft beer? No. Should we love them for throwing themselves passionately into the pursuit of the best beers (that they, USUALLY, do a great job of informing the general public on flops?) Yes.
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  34. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    It isn't debatable. Why is one perk okay, while the other isn't?
  35. Smurf2055

    Smurf2055 Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2011 Washington

    No, but it has to do with the policy debate. It should be in a shops best interest to allow employees to have an allocation. They shouldn't be entitled to more than any other customer, and they shouldn't get privileges that regular customers don't get. They should be treated as just another customer.
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  36. draheim

    draheim Poo-Bah (2,408) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Wow, I had no idea this thread contained something as elevated as a "policy debate." :wink:

    I'm all for stores allowing their employees to buy a certain percentage of these sought-after beers as a benefit of working there. And as I mentioned at 9 o'clock this morning, I think it could even be used as an incentive for better customer service, productivity, etc. But I oppose (and I think you do too) what the OP and a few other posters described: when employees buy up a majority or all of a given beer before customers ever get a shot at it. I think that in reality this is probably pretty rare, but it must happen occasionally (or people wouldn't talk about it on the interwebz).

    But here's the rub. As a practical matter, simply saying employees "should be treated as just another customer" doesn't work. They're in the store all day, they know when the beer is delivered, they have co-workers to look out for them even when they're off. So they inherently get privileges other regular customers don't get. There's no way around that. Life's unfair, that's just the way it is. But it serves no purpose to pretend otherwise.
  37. WhiteJordan

    WhiteJordan Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2012 Washington
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    I work at a bottle shop and I pay full price for my bottles. If we get uber limited bottles I can assure you I don't go outside the allocation. We only got 1 case of Logsdon Peche and Brett and I was only able to get one bottle. To me employees buying bottles is not different than bottle hunters hitting every shop in town. If you had the chance you would exploit it to.
  38. Smurf2055

    Smurf2055 Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2011 Washington

    I do like the idea of rewarding hardworking employees, but it's kind of hard to judge that sort of thing. Another idea I had is to share a single limited bottle at an event where all employees are present, so the all get to taste it.

    Yes they do get an edge on the rare releases. There's no denying that. It seems that a few of the people in the thread (myself included) chalk it up as one of the "perks" of having the job. It's when those "perks" become greater than that of any other customer that it becomes a problem, and that is what I was referring too. They shouldn't get treated any better or worse than a regular customer as far allocations. The advantages they get from "knowing when the shipments arrive" are somewhat negligible. It's usually not hard to figure out delivery schedules for stores, and you can usually call stores to ask when a certain beer gets in (or when the distributor says they should get it in).

    But yes, completely agree the situation OP described is unfortunate. I would be upset as well.
  39. Nectar

    Nectar Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2013 New Jersey

    I think a lot of people are forgetting that its just beer. Resorting to name-calling on the internet doesn't help to prove your point any better...
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