English Barleywine yeast

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  1. Supergenious

    Supergenious Savant (1,249) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Anybody have a favorite English Barleywine yeast? I’m leaning towards WY1318, but considering WY1968 or WY1728 as well. I’ll probably make a Bitter beforehand as a “starter” and rack said Barleywine on the yeast cake. So a good bitter yeast would be a bonus. Thanks.
     
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,212) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I have used 1028, 1968, and 1084 (Irish ale) in different capacities in an attempt to find a good barleywine strain. I thought the grahm cracker descriptor sounded interesting with the Irish ale. After using all of these strains and not getting the outcomes I desired I used 1056, american ale, for everything big. The Ester production with the English ales really made it difficult to dial in fermentation. One beer had green apple for a damned year even though I pitched a 4l starter of 1028. The esb left a very sweet and underattenuated beer that I didn't enjoy. The Irish ale was under attenuated as well. After switching to American ale I have been very pleased with my ventures into big beers and have had beers place in large competitions as a result. I'm sure there are people who have had success with English yeasts, but I'm not one of them. My palate does lean towards clean fermentation, I prefer German lagers and American ales, and when I do yeast driven styles I prefer the phenolic Belgians aver esters driven English beers. So there's that.
     
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  3. Supergenious

    Supergenious Savant (1,249) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    That's why I thought a Scottish ale yeast could work nice (1728 or equivalent). Its fairly neutral and does really well with high gravity.
     
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    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,212) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    After digging around and figuring out the yeast strains that my preferred commercial examples use, it made the switch to American ale a decision I could make with confidence. Fremont B Bomb was the beer I wanted to base my strong ales on. They used 1056, so I do too. If there is a commercial example you like, dig around and see if you can find out what they use.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,169) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have yet to brew an English style Barleywine but if I did my yeast choice would be Lallemand (LalBrew) Nottingham yeast. I have in the past used this yeast strain to brew IPAs with great success. It is an English yeast strain but is more on the neutral side.

    “LalBrew Nottingham™ – High Performance Ale Yeast

    LalBrew Nottingham is an English style ale yeast selected for its high performance and versatility for a wide variety of styles and fermentation conditions. Traditional styles brewed with this yeast include but are not limited to Pale Ales, Ambers, Porters, Stouts and Barleywines. In addition to these traditional styles, Nottingham can be used to produce Golden Ale, Kölsch, Lager-style beers, IPA, and Imperial Stout, among many others. LalBrew Nottingham is a relatively neutral ale strain that is stress tolerant making it a good choice for high gravity, sour and other challenging fermentation conditions.”

    I would just pitch a couple of sachets for a high gravity beer like a Barleywine.

    Cheers!
     
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  6. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,779) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    My vote is 1728. 1968 is tasty but I'm not sure it can ferment above 9% ABV, per Wyeast specs.
     
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  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,126) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I like 1469, rated to 9%. Never brewed a barleywine with it but would give it a go, as I would be aiming for the low abv-end of that style.
     
  8. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,803) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I've used the equivalent of 1318 with great results in a Barleywine that trotted the line between English and American, though it's only a sample size of two.
     
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  9. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,061) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    +1 to Nottingham. I use it in my barley wine and and very happy with the results.
     
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  10. Supergenious

    Supergenious Savant (1,249) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    I know a lot of people like Nottingham, but I've never had great success with it. I'll have to give it another chance some day.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,169) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Opposite from my experiences.

    What issue(s) did you have with using Nottingham?

    Cheers!
     
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  12. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,061) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    What jack said.
    I have had excellent results with it in many styles.
     
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  13. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,281) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland
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    I could see a kveik yeast doing well for a barleywine if you fermented at normal ale temps.
     
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  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,561) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I would go with WY-1028, an old favorite.

    Right now I'm using Imperial Pub Ale for lowered gravity beers, and might push it's tolerance,see how it does at 10%.
     
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  15. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,478) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    i like 1469 West Yorkshire. It goes beyond the 9%, I've done 11%. I like the peachy esters.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,169) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am a fan of using Wyeast 1469 for brewing my Bitter Ales since I too enjoy the fruity flavors this yeast provides. In post #3 @Supergenious discussed "fairly neutral" so it would seem that 1469 would not be an optimum choice here.

    Cheers!
     
  17. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,048) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I'm a big fan of WLP007. I brew with this strain quite a bit. I just bottled a barley wine with this yeast. I also like to brew a bitter first then dump on the yeast cake. I've also used the Scottish yeast. An excellent choice! Good luck!
     
  18. Supergenious

    Supergenious Savant (1,249) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    I thought about 1469, which I like a fair bit. I was concerned with its alcohol tolerance though. I'm tentatively planning on something around 11%. Good to know you've done 11.
     
  19. Supergenious

    Supergenious Savant (1,249) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    On a side not: I plan on bottling this one. Which I haven't done in a while. In an effort to reduce O2 exposure would it be beneficial to carb in a keg (using sugar), then use beer gun to bottle? Or use traditional bottling practices (rack to bucket with sugar and bottle)? I'm probably overthinking this. Anyone spund a barleywine before?
     
  20. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,048) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I think its a matter of preference. I am set up to do both but I prefer the bottling bucket. Take care!