Erosion Wine, Beer, and Ice Cream Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by fegelFatso, Oct 28, 2022.

  1. fegelFatso

    fegelFatso Pundit (913) Jun 23, 2013 California

    Hi Everyone!

    As a long time Bruery loyalist, I just wanted to start a thread appreciating Patrick Rue’s (@PMR) newer venture, Erosion! The Wines aren’t typical Napa-pinky-up style, but instead the kind of stuff you’d expect from someone who brewed a 20% stout and then adjuncted the hell out of it to bliss! But beyond that, he’s expanded into beer (which, regardless of style, has been damn near flawless and yummy!) and even Ice Cream! It’s a triple threat that all family members can love on a trip to Napa Valley!

    But since this is a Beer site, I just want to shout out and, well, appreciate the awesomeness Patrick is doing in St Helena (just north of Napa). If you’re ever up here, check it out!
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  2. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,605) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah Society

    Looked them up. Sounds cool and will upset the wine freaks
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  3. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    Thank you for the very kind words, Alicia! You're such a great advocate and given honest & valuable feedback when I've / we've needed it the most.

    In case anyone is curious here's a little bit about what I've been up to-- I moved to a town of 6000 people (St. Helena, middle of Napa Valley growing area) with my family in late 2018 and spent a few months figuring what to do next, with an eye towards getting into the wine industry. I've been a fan of great wine for almost as long as craft beer, but the culture of wine never spoke to me & honestly made me feel uncomfortable (still kinda does, but the mystique has mostly been resolved). What started out as a winery that hoped to bring a craft beer ethos to wine has evolved into a collection of things I love, sort of 80 hour / week hobby. We make beer, wine, ice cream, run a beer bar / tasting room, bottle shop... and if I add anything else to it the wheels will absolutely fall off!

    Our initial canned wine lineup were blends we put together with wines purchased from other Napa Valley wineries, and they've definitely turned some heads around here! For example, we have a Merlot with cacao nibs and vanilla, one of those things that has to be tried to be understood. We're just starting to release our 2019 wines which I'm super proud of, and thankfully 2019 gave the weather / growing conditions to make the wines I was hoping to make. Making wine is amazing and at best borders on magic, but the rest of it is brutal, and being involved in it has made me appreciate the world of beer so much more!

    Our brewery is tiny at 3 BBL, which in a way is nice to be able to make just about anything and see how it goes. We've branched off into two directions-- making beers & beverages that the locals and visitors to our Tap House want, and making beers that allow me to be creative & build upon what I've been able to do in the past. What I've found is that people who are around wine for an extended period of time have a love / need for beer, so that's encouraging! We're a bit of an oasis / public service in this town, which has allowed me to get to know my neighbors better. However, most customers are looking for beer that contrasts with the big & delicious wines around here, so a helles and a crisp IPA (& even a hazy IPA) are in demand by a 20:1 margin compared to something more adventurous. If I tapped a keg of Black Tuesday Reserve aged in 23 year Pappy barrels (BTW something I don't have and/or doesn't exist), there would be a handful of customers who would be super stoked, but most would rather have a helles and a few months from now that 5 gallon keg could still be on our tap list. That doesn't mean I won't have beers like that, though! That's all to say I make a lot of beers that fit a "brewpub" model and make other beers that make no sense around here, but perhaps I'll be able to find people who will enjoy these beers. I love making beer and get a lot of satisfaction in being a part of the process, regardless of what I'm brewing.

    We also just opened up our Bottle Shop, which has been so much fun. It gives me a chance to reconnect with friends at breweries around California, support them in a small way, and have a collection of beers that makes me smile every day I go in there. If you're in CA we'll ship to you, so check it out if interested!

    Thanks for reading and cheers to you all!

  4. ernh

    ernh Savant (1,155) Jun 10, 2012 California

    I was really excited to see the bottle shop open for shipping. Shipping a couple crowlers doesn't math out but now I can augment with other fun goodies.

    I'm just not a big wine person, but it has been fun trying their wines. The 250ml format is outstanding for very occasional wine drinkers like me.

    @PMR what's the recommended shelf life on the beer crowlers if we keep refrigerated? Autumn Dulce is amazing and takes me right back to that "other" beer I miss so much. And TBH the lower ABV with no compromise on flavor is an improvement.
  5. PatKorn

    PatKorn Zealot (685) Aug 30, 2007 Hawaii

    Gonna be in Napa in two weeks. I'll swing by and say hey. Cheers.
  6. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    Glad you're enjoying the wines & format!

    All of our crowlers are filled like a beer bottle would typically be filled. We have a very manual 4 head filler that purges and fills under pressure, very similar to this one:

    We manually screw cap, which we do seconds it comes off the filler, while trying to promote screw capping on foam (harder than it sounds with this machine).

    For something like Autumn Dulce, as long as it's kept cold, I'd think would taste similarly within 3 months. The one thing I don't have is a micro program so I'm in the dark with regard to spoilers, which is mostly a concern of mine when we're adding ingredients post-fermentation and the customer is going to keep it stored warm. I use a "killer" strain of yeast for beers that'll be aged longer term, which gives some layer of protection against wild yeast, which was also used in Autumn Dulce. Accidentally making sour beer is a frequent nightmare of mine.

    Once we start releasing our barrel aged / wood aged beers, they'll be batch pasteurized and will be packaged in the 8 oz. sleek cans. Once we run out of crowlers (a few thousand left), we'll switch to 12 oz. sleek cans.

    That'd be awesome, Pat! Let me know when you'll be visiting. My eMail: patrick (at)
  7. ernh

    ernh Savant (1,155) Jun 10, 2012 California

    Rad, thanks! I'll do what I can to help run down that crowler stockpile

    Exciting to hear about the 8/12oz cans too. Very appealing.
  8. Jesseix

    Jesseix Devotee (392) Mar 18, 2022 California

    Very cool, this has immediately gone to the top of the list for whenever I visit Napa next :+1:
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  9. fegelFatso

    fegelFatso Pundit (913) Jun 23, 2013 California

    You won’t regret it! I live about two hours away and try to make the drive somewhat regularly! It’s always worth it!
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  10. AlmostDeadly777

    AlmostDeadly777 Devotee (320) Apr 29, 2018 California

    Went there back in early June just a couple days after Memorial Day weekend. Patrick wasn't there but I was wearing an old Black Tuesday t shirt to show support and the guys working that day were incredibly generous. Got a wine flight, some dip, a beer, and they gave us a couple free samples and let us go walk around the ice cream/wine bar side of the place after hours. Asked tons of questions about the Bruery (and why I'm no longer a member, but still support), genuinely cool people.

    Really great place, wish I could visit it more often, and a nice change of pace in the middle of wine country where I often times feel like I don't fit in with the culture at all.
  11. fegelFatso

    fegelFatso Pundit (913) Jun 23, 2013 California

    Just wanted to share that today, members got a special gift… three ounces of Charlotte’s beer! The beer @PMR brewed for his daughter for when she turns 21.

    I’m fangirling here, but I’m so honored!
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  12. ernh

    ernh Savant (1,155) Jun 10, 2012 California

    What's the "style"? I'm sure it's unique, but how would you describe?
  13. fegelFatso

    fegelFatso Pundit (913) Jun 23, 2013 California

    I’ll tell you when I try it… all I know is that it’s been in barrels for almost a decade. I bet @PMR may be able to explain more.
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  14. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    Awesome, glad you're excited about it!!!
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  15. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    @ernh Not really a style, but perhaps a "cornwine" or "bourbon beer"? Brewed in 2011 with a mash of 60% corn and 40% barley. Very low bitterness Initially the plan was to get it to 21% pre-barrel aging, but if I recall correctly it was closer to 19%. The first set of barrels were new American oak with alligator char, same as what bourbon off of the still would go into. After that a few years, it was racked into wet bourbon barrels and gets racked into a new set of bourbon barrels every 2-3 years. At this point I think it's been racked to new barrels 4 times.

    It has another 9 years of aging before my daughter is 21, and I don't necessarily see how more oxygen / wood contact is going to improve things, so it'll be going into a stainless tank that'll be topped up to the brim.

    Flavor-wise it's like tawny port, bourbon and a barleywine had a baby. Nutty oxidation, loads of caramel, and a light cellar mustiness. I'd say it's somewhere between Utopias and Xyauyu in flavor / sweetness / alcohol burn.
  16. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    @PMR you are an absolute mad man and a real national treasure.
  17. ernh

    ernh Savant (1,155) Jun 10, 2012 California

    That's really cool! Do you carbonate to serve or keep it still?
  18. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    Thanks! I think it’s best still & at cellar temp.
  19. irthesteve

    irthesteve Zealot (693) Mar 7, 2014 California

    My wife got me a selection of beers for Valentine's day and it arrived super quick (great shipping). Had Autumn Dolce last night and damn it really does harken back to Autumn Maple, my wife and I both loved it
  20. wasatchback

    wasatchback Maven (1,438) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan

    Haven’t had the opportunity to try any Erosion beer (or wine or ice cream) yet but I did have the fortunate opportunity to meet @PMR when he swung by my brewery this past summer. Honestly one of the nicest folks I’ve met in the short time I’ve had in this industry. His positive words and just overall stoke for our beer and beer in general was so cool to see from someone who’s been at it for as long as he has. Even left us some glowing reviews on the Google and Untappd. I’m looking forward to the day I get the chance to swing by Erosion. Place looks rad and I’m sure the beers will be nothing short of spectacular.

    @PMR you headed back to PC for some skiing anytime soon?
  21. PatKorn

    PatKorn Zealot (685) Aug 30, 2007 Hawaii

    Had a chance to go in November and hang with Pat. Really great place and the wine and beers were on point as to be expected. The bottle shop in back has an insane selection. There is ice cream! Had a small pour of Charlotte's beer and PR description above is spot on. Very tawny port like and super oxidized in a good way, a small pour went a long way. Also met Charlotte, a lovely young woman who was super sweet and respectful to her elders. Pretty sure she will be running the place soon if not already. Cheers.
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  22. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    I very much enjoyed meeting you guys & drinking your excellent beer! I'm unlikely to make it out to Park City this ski season unfortunately. Please let me know if you're ever in our area!
  23. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    It was great having you visit, I hope all is going well in Hawaii!
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  24. pixiesfanyo

    pixiesfanyo Devotee (389) Oct 25, 2010 California

    What a sweet thread. Used to love going to the Bruery Provisions in downtown orange.

    Glad everything is working out for you Patrick.
  25. JBogan

    JBogan Pooh-Bah (1,725) Jul 15, 2007 California
    Pooh-Bah Society Trader

    I placed an order for shipping through their bottle shop a couple of days ago. I'm very much looking forward to giving the Erosion beers a try.

    Also ordered a few Moonlight beers through Erosion's shop too on the same ticket. It'll be my first time tasting them as well.

    Just wish I didn't live 500 miles away from St Helena. I'd love to visit Patrick's place sometime though. That's going on my bucket list.
  26. ernh

    ernh Savant (1,155) Jun 10, 2012 California

    I did literally almost the same thing. A bunch of Erosion and Moonlight, plus a couple other things.

    Arrived today and I'm starting off with Jesus is a Capricorn from Erosion. It's fantastic. The crowler cap was a tiny bit loose and making a small hiss, but was still fizzy when I poured.

    Nelson hop I just never know what to expect... The flavor profile varies so wildly beer to beer. Here it's as good as I've had, based on my taste. Very pineapple I think?

    I lived in SF for ten years and was aware of Moonlight (Death and Taxes is a staple in a lot of bars, and Mikkeller would get more obscure brews), but I just never got that into them. Looking to make things right now.

    I got some from Erosion last year:

    Working For Tips is great (I'd had that at Mikkeller years ago and the can from Erosion didn't disappoint).

    Rhythmic Chaos is a freaking fantastic barleywine. I drink so much BA stuff these days it had been a minute since I'd had a non-BA barleywine and this did not disappoint.

    Enjoy your cache!
  27. goblue30

    goblue30 Zealot (587) May 18, 2016 Michigan

    Visited in November. A nice crisp WC IPA was exactly what I needed after all that wine. Will definitely be back next time we are in the area.
  28. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,253) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Super Mod Pooh-Bah Society Trader

    I know what you mean.

    We usually go over to fieldwork in Oxbow market, or will grab a pint of pliny at Gott's, but it's always nice to have other options. Am looking forward to checking this place out next time we're in Napa.
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  29. JBogan

    JBogan Pooh-Bah (1,725) Jul 15, 2007 California
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    Well, I got my order a couple of days ago and it didn't take me long to get through the six beers (three from Moonlight and three from Erosion) that I ordered from Erosion.

    May I first say that the packaging was impeccable. A very sturdy box, along with beefy separators inside, and a couple of gel ice packs. It's details like this that make me want to do business with someone. Since the pandemic hit I've ordered a lot of beer online for shipping from a lot of different breweries. This was the finest packaging I've seen so far, and I really appreciate that extra bit of care the folks at Erosion put into it.

    Now on to the beers. I wanted to try a few different styles from both Moonlight and Erosion. So I got Old Combine Lager, Homegrown Wet Hop Ale and Reality Czeck from Moonlight, and Hella Cold winter pilsner, Can I Speak To Your Manager Blonde Ale and Rue's Red Rye IPA from Erosion.

    Twas not a dud in the bunch. Every one of them were very enjoyable, and made me want to explore both breweries' offerings further. I'll most certainly be placing further orders, and be looking forward to more beery goodness from Moonlight and Erosion. Cheers! - John
  30. fegelFatso

    fegelFatso Pundit (913) Jun 23, 2013 California

    I just heard news that Erosion is closing at the end of the month :’’’(

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  31. ernh

    ernh Savant (1,155) Jun 10, 2012 California

    Boo!!! Looks like all the wine online is half price...

    Is everything shuttering? Or just parts of the business?
  32. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    What happened?
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  33. AyeDogg

    AyeDogg Pundit (864) Oct 29, 2015 California

    I was planning on visiting this April, more details ?
  34. PatKorn

    PatKorn Zealot (685) Aug 30, 2007 Hawaii

    Where did you see that? If so that sucks but their rent must insane there and it is not a small space.
  35. PMR

    PMR Crusader (471) Mar 31, 2005 California

    Hey All! Yes, @fegelFatso is right, we'll be closing down the Tap House at the end of the month. My wife and I made the decision it was right for our daughter (and for our family in general) to be in Orange County, so we'll be moving back in the next few months. Working / living in Napa Valley has been a dream of mine, but I have to think about the other people in my life and how my own pursuits impact them.

    I'm looking forward to being back in OC and hopefully will continue my craft beer adventures down there. I have no plans or ideas on what that might be, though!

  36. ernh

    ernh Savant (1,155) Jun 10, 2012 California

    Family first, every time. Thanks for a good run!
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  37. JBogan

    JBogan Pooh-Bah (1,725) Jul 15, 2007 California
    Pooh-Bah Society Trader

    Patrick, I'll be looking forward to whatever beery goodness you come up with next. Here's wishing you and your family all the best on your return to southern California.
  38. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Gotta respect the decision, I'm sorry I missed out on a visit and will have to find other beery destinations for our family treck to the area this fall.

    Looking forward to your future endeavors
  39. Jesseix

    Jesseix Devotee (392) Mar 18, 2022 California

    I very much feel the same way, I had Erosion bookmarked for our next trip up there.

    @PMR any wine/beer inventory you might be bringing back to SoCal with you and looking to offload?
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  40. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,600) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Whats the last day for shipping? I just looked at the current menu and there's some real tasty sounding brews on there
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