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"Extra" IPA? What does it mean?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by lnashsig, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. lnashsig

    lnashsig Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2010 Texas

    All- a question popped up during conversation with a friend today: What does "Extra" IPA mean? Is it synonymous with "Imperial" or "Double"? Or, does it imply something different? Your guidance is appreciated!
  2. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,239) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Torpedo Extra is listed, and rightfully so I think, as an IPA so in this case(are there other Extra IPAs out there?) Extra doesn't equate to DIPA.
  3. Hophead717

    Hophead717 Zealot (572) Oct 21, 2011 Massachusetts
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    I'd generally agree with the above. "Extra" seems to be an amorphous category, bigger than an average IPA, but not necessarily an "Imperial." It's worth noting though that the distinction from "Imperial" and regular IPA is hardly set in stone either.
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  4. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    According to Sierra Nevada, Torpedo is somewhere between an IPA and a DIPA, that's why they chose to call it an extra IPA.
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  5. azorie

    azorie Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    Well I would guess is just a silly way to get your attention when looking at 500+ IPA's on the beer isle.:rolling_eyes:

    I said it before and I say it again, everyone but a small handful of breweries makes IPA(or a over hoped APA), you got to BS the masses to stand out.:wink: So its now on to extra, next will be extra hoppy IPA, etc etc.:grinning:

    triple XXX IPA, wait its been done, LOL
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  6. jamvt

    jamvt Disciple (388) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts
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    i may just be a tip of the hat to british beers past and present who use the term "extra" to describe their more bitter beers, as well as a distinction for beers with an abv greater than 4.8%. it's somewhat of a novelty term in my opinion. i like it.
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  7. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    From an informational perspective, it's a big IPA (not quite DIPA, according to the brewers), so "extra" is a term that denotes that.

    From a marketing perspective, it also separates Torpedo from every either IPA merely labeled as such, every other use of "double" or "imperial," etc... It's memorable.
  8. azorie

    azorie Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    I think SN makes the most "types" of IPA, with DFH a close 2nd? out of the main stream bigger brewers anyway.
  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,289) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Well, there's BBC if you count all their different hop variety-based Lattitude 48's and now the Whitewater, Tasman Red and Third Voyage (both the latter called IPA on their website).
  10. azorie

    azorie Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    You know I don't drink many IPA's, I overlooked them at the stores, but your right. Seems crazy that it works , having overlap in beer styles, time will tell where it all shakes out I guess. I like a well made PA, but most of these are just too much for me.

    I guess those sell the best, I cannot find the SA beers I love anymore down here.:slight_frown:
  11. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,239) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    And Mikkeller.

  12. Agold

    Agold Defender (641) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    It's when someone gives you a bigger bottle of an IPA so you get extra.
  13. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,402) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    summitt brewery makes an extra PA its their flagship brew its an English version but it drinks like an IPA
  14. silentjay

    silentjay Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2008 Massachusetts

    It, as well as many beer terms, is pretty ambiguous.
  15. nrs207

    nrs207 Defender (687) Sep 8, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    It's just like extra pale ale. Wtf is that? The border between an APA and IPA is so thin (see Zombie Dust) that I don't get that term at all. Isn't the typical cutoff for DIPA/IIPA 7.5% alcohol? So Torpedo being extra makes sense because it's bigger in flavor/hoppiness than a typical IPA and close to the Double line, but doesn't cross over 7.5%. That's how I think of "extra" at least.
  16. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I don't even understand exactly where to draw the line between IPA and DIPA - 'extra' just makes it even more confusing...
  17. shand

    shand Meyvn (1,419) Jul 13, 2010 Florida
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    And their Baltic IPA, and their Belgian IPA ... they're all in on the IPA train.
  18. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Defender (656) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Sometimes it's a very thin line. However, if you have a Hoptimum followed by a Torpedo there's definitely a difference.
  19. Agold

    Agold Defender (641) Mar 13, 2010 Pennsylvania

    So those two beers are pretty different, but if you lined up 5 IPAs and 5 extra IPAs would you be able to sort them?
  20. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Defender (656) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    I'm not sure I know of many other "extra" IPAs, but I think I could pick Torpedo out of a line-up of some of my favorite double IPAs. And just to contradict myself, I wouldn't be surprised if I couldn't.
  21. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    I agree that if you place two beers side-by-side with a 3.5% alcohol difference it's obvious which one is more "imperial" than the other. The thing is, if I were to blindly slide you a Heady Topper and a Flower Power, what makes one a DIPA and one an IPA? They're both delicious hop bombs with a 0.5% alcohol difference.

    There's a big gray area in that 7.5-8.5% range. Just like there's a Pale Ale / IPA gray area in that 5.5-6.0% or so range.
  22. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Defender (656) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts

    Right, I completely agree. See my next post after the response to yours. As far as the Pale Ale/IPA gray area, I think there are many IPAs masquerading as APAs. For example Dale's Pale Ale.
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  23. 3CheersforCheapBeers

    3CheersforCheapBeers Initiate (112) Aug 20, 2015 Michigan

    I like to look at it this way:
    4.9% and under = Session
    5%-6.9% = Average/Regular
    7%-7.9% = Extra
    8% and above = Imperial/Double
    I would consider a beer like Devil Dancer from Founders a Triple IPA, just as they label it, because it is 12%.
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  24. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Disciple (335) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    It means nothing
  25. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (3,402) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    Well you have IPA and 2IPA so this is 1.5IPA.
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  26. slangtruth

    slangtruth Initiate (199) Jan 8, 2012 Massachusetts

    Extra tasty in Torpedo's case.
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  27. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,036) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Like 75 Minute!
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  28. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Zealot (510) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    Just going to guess that it's an ipa with a little extra ipa in it.
  29. akolb

    akolb Crusader (709) Aug 8, 2015 Colorado
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    Torpedo was probably "extra" when it first came out, but now it is pretty average in terms of ABV and IBU. Still a great beer, though.
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  30. pat61

    pat61 Poo-Bah (4,540) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota
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    Extra is like a duke and imperial is like an emperor.
  31. arlingtonjoe

    arlingtonjoe Devotee (460) Jan 20, 2013 Illinois
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    Wasn't 75 minute the one with maple syrup added?
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  32. TongoRad

    TongoRad Poo-Bah (2,036) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yeah- that's the one. An Extra IPA with extras :slight_smile:.

    I think it originated as a straight blend, though; and they might still do it at the brewpub. Either way, I was just being a little sarcastic- having such rigid strata based solely on abv just seems kind of silly to me.
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  33. Ranbot

    Ranbot Devotee (463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania

    If I was a brewer I would make an extra extra IPA just to mess with you all. Follow it up with an Extra Session IPA, Extra Extra Pale Ale, Extra Imperial IPA... I could go on forever... Good thing I'm not a brewer.
  34. CheapHysterics

    CheapHysterics Aspirant (252) Apr 1, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Probably because "Diminished Imperial India Pale Ale" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
  35. jhavs

    jhavs Meyvn (1,469) Apr 16, 2015 New Hampshire
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    Looks like you would like this brew!

    Labeled on the can as: Imperial Session, Pale-Black-Indian Pale Ale
  36. Sir_Whats-his-face

    Sir_Whats-his-face Initiate (147) Mar 2, 2015 Oregon
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    It's like when you thought you were out of IPAs but there's still one left.
  37. Dan_K

    Dan_K Devotee (414) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    It's a meaningless phrase inherited from the British. Just like special bitter and extra special bitter and all the other micro distinctions.
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  38. alucard6679

    alucard6679 Aspirant (259) Jul 29, 2012 Arizona

    It's called marketing. As @azorie pointed out, breweries have to find a way to stand out (especially when it comes to IPAs and especially at larger retailers where they will be sitting on a shelf along with hundreds of other beers that are quite similar). It can be difficult to remain relevant when something gets to this level of trendy. Cheers!
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  39. lester619

    lester619 Zealot (525) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin
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    That's fine. You can certainly look at it however you like, just understand breweries do nothing of the sort. Session, imperial, double, whatever are for the most part simply marketing angles and do not conform to the neat little compartments like your scale. Cheers!
  40. hophugger

    hophugger Poo-Bah (1,850) Mar 5, 2014 Virginia
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    I agree that it is somewhere between and IPA and a DIPA. A little extra without fully commiting to the higher abv that is usually Imp. IPAs.....
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