Germany Favorite German breweries outside of Bavaria

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  1. whatsgoody

    whatsgoody Disciple (303) Nov 16, 2012 Vermont

    The title says it all. We know that some of the world's best breweries and beers come from Bavaria. It's my favorite state in Germany, and the beer has a lot to do with that. All of my top five German breweries are located in Bavaria. (Favorites are Schneider Weisse for weizens, Andechs for all other styles).

    But here's my question. What are the best breweries outside of Bavaria, the ones that are worth seeking out if you happen to be in that part of the country?

    My top 3:

    Alpirsbacher
    Uerige
    Rothaus

    Thoughts?
     
  2. einhorn

    einhorn Aspirant (292) Nov 3, 2005 California
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    Nice short list. IMO there are plenty of great places in Baden-Wuerttemberg. I picked up a case of the Schwaben-Braeu Naturtruebe the other day and I am enjoying it immensely with our hot weather.
     
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  3. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,005) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    You absolutely must see Brauhaus Schmidt in Singen, Thueringen, Bolten in Moenchengladbach, and Felsenkeller Brauerei in Monschau. Very limited, very rare beers. Not officially Germany, but if you're in Inneralpbach in Tirol, Austria, then you have to go to Brauerei Kristall, as their Zwickl won gold at the European Beer Star awards.

    Seriously though, there are hundreds of excellent breweries outside of Bavaria. Dozens in Koeln and Duesseldorf alone, and lots speckled throughout B-W, NRW, Rheinalnd-Pfalz, Thuringia, and Sachsen. Go find them. It'll be fun.
     
  4. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,868) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Have to give a vote to Stuttgart -- had a great time at the Völkfest and enjoyed all the beer. Tried a few smaller breweries around the are too and though they were terrific.
     
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  5. papagobrewing

    papagobrewing Initiate (19) Sep 8, 2009 Arizona

    Not in any order:
    Bitburger in Bitburg
    Schumachers and Uerige in Dusseldorf
    Peters and Fruh in Cologne
    Eichbaum in Mannheim
    Badisch Brauhaus in Karlsruhe
    Sophie's in Stuttgart
    Amadeus in Baden Baden
    Koningsbacher in Koblenz
     
  6. digita7693

    digita7693 Disciple (394) Jan 19, 2010 Germany
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    Rothaus
    Uerige
    Freigeist
    Wöllnitzer
    Hütt Naturtrüb is quite good, even though the rest of their beers are crap
    E.Ortmanns in Aachen has done some nice beers
     
  7. TreinJan

    TreinJan Initiate (135) Apr 13, 2006 Netherlands

    Some favourites:
    Pinkus Müller in Münster (Westfalen)
    Schumacher in Düsseldorf
    Bolten in Korschenbroich (near Mönchengladbach)
    Päffgen and Malzmühle in Köln
    Bayerischer Bahnhof in Leipzig
    and several of the ones already mentioned, like Rothaus
     
  8. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Disciple (389) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Can we just nominate the entire town?

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    Although my favorite (so far)(as others have mentioned):

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  9. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,868) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Eh? Missed this yesterday -- Is this a part of your distributorship/import (can't recall exactly what your beer-biz is) portfolio? I've been waiting (not so) patiently for the return of Dinkel Acker to the US and would love to find some Schwabenbräu too!
     
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  10. einhorn

    einhorn Aspirant (292) Nov 3, 2005 California
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    Yes, Steve. It's not my business, I work for the importer with local sales of the brands. From what I see, the Natuertrueb and the Schwarzbier from Schwaben are coming in along with Dinkel Acker pilsner. S&H is taking over Flensburger, Weltenburger, Andechs and are in talks with Rothaus. Sweet line up if you ask me.
     
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  11. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Disciple (389) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Rothaus, really? I sent them an e-mail a while back asking if they were sold in the US and they said no, to do that they would have to pasteurize their beers and they weren't willing to do that.
     
  12. einhorn

    einhorn Aspirant (292) Nov 3, 2005 California
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    That is possible. This could be one of the issues they are facing. There has been a changing of the guard at Rothaus, and I think that sales are slumping. Combine that with the 17 million EURO yearly flowing into the BaWü piggy bank and you can believe they want to keep it coming. Will keep you guys posted.
     
  13. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,868) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Very sweet lineup -- love to be able to get Rothaus, let alone my favorite German Pils once again.

    When is S&H's lineup supposed to spread across the country? If you know, that is.
     
  14. einhorn

    einhorn Aspirant (292) Nov 3, 2005 California
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    Both Schwaben/Dinkel-Acker and Weltenburger are available now. They also handle Früh BTW. The Andechs is not in yet - from what I know it's just a matter of time.
     
  15. Bierman9

    Bierman9 Poo-Bah (4,165) Dec 20, 2001 New Hampshire
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    Wait! There are parts of Germany outside of Bayern?? ;-) Damn, I gots to get out more often....

    Prosit!!!
     
  16. whatsgoody

    whatsgoody Disciple (303) Nov 16, 2012 Vermont

    Great responses! I especially like the looks of some of the smaller ones mentioned.

    Another couple favorites that are slightly less well-known...

    Kulturbrauerei Heidelberg (aka "Scheffel's")
    Alt-Oberurseler just outside of Frankfurt
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (2,777) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My favorite German brewery is Jever since I am a big fan of Jever Pilsner.

    Prost!
     
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  18. Erzengel

    Erzengel Aspirant (290) Sep 8, 2008 Germany
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    Vormann in Hagen (NRW) - nice family-owned small brewery with great beers!
    And in Düsseldorf: Uerige!
     
  19. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Disciple (389) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    I live in HD and take visitors to Kulturbrauerei. It's right in the middle of the tourist district, but the space is very good and the food isn't bad (a little pricey for what it is, but that goes with the tourist territory). Their seasonal beers have been really good lately, the Spring Wheat in particular was delicious, and not long ago I got a 1L takeaway of their porter which was very good. And that's saying something because I haven't had a lot of good German made porters.

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  20. Bobator

    Bobator Initiate (0) May 23, 2006 California

    Einbecker Brauhaus, Edelweissbrauerei Farny.
     
  21. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany

    I guess nobody would've wagered on me having a favourite brewery in the uncivilized wastelands commonly referred to as "Germany" but, I do. A few years ago the wife and I were in Brandenburg (of all places), south-east of Berlin and of course we checked out the local breweries which, though far less in number than we're used to, do exist even there. This one here http://www.babben-bier.de/ I still very fondly remember and though their distribution range equals the dimensions of an average US shopping mall in size, if you should come across their beer somewhere or happen to be in the area, do check it out. Matter of fact, if you're anywhere in the Berlin-Leipzig-Dresden triangle, make the detour and check them out. It's worth it :)
     
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  22. boddhitree

    boddhitree Devotee (482) Apr 13, 2008 Germany

    Here are a few of mine.
    • In Düsseldorf: Schlüssel, Füchsen, and Uerige Alts.
    • In Köln: Mühlen Kölsch (Früh and Sion are the worst of the bunch.)
    • Störtebeker from Stahlsund in far northeastern Germany.
    • Duckstein, which is a wonder Alt, brewed by Holsten-Brauerei, a mini-conglomerate from Hamburg.
    • Pinkus, from Münster.
    • Schlappe Seppel, which is brewed in Aschaffenberg, which though technically in Bayern, linguistically and culturally is basically part of Hessen.
    • Häffner Bräu from Bad Rappenau in Baden Württemberg.
    • Fritz Ale, a small hobby brewer in Bonn who went pro and now produces American style craft beers.
    • In Österreich (Austria): Gusswerk, Handbrauerei Forstner.
    • Privatbrauerei Camba Bavaria, even though they are so deep in Bayern they can practically smell the air of Chiemsee, I technically see them as non-Bavarian since they produce so many non-German styles.
    I'm sure I'll think of more later, but this is what I ended up with after an hour's worth of thinking & researching.

    Living in FFM, I've been there several times, and although their beer is very good, there was never a WOW beer among them, but since this place is accessible from FFM by subway, I will agree.
     
  23. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Disciple (389) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    What do you think of their Porter, have you tried it? I bought a mix sixpack of theirs while in Berlin and thought the Porter was pretty terrible. Their Roggen-Weizen, though, was pretty good.
     
  24. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,005) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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  25. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Disciple (389) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Believe it or not, there is a restaurant here in HD that serves Hovels. I had never had it before, and I think I tried it but didn't like it. This was earlier this year so a lot could have changed between 1994 and now.

    Edit for grammar.
     
  26. Jeffreysan

    Jeffreysan Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Maryland
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    Do you happen to know if these beers are only available on the west coast? I havent' seen them here on the east coast, specifically, the mid-Atlantic. I would LOVE to get some of the Scharzbier from Schwaben!
     
  27. boddhitree

    boddhitree Devotee (482) Apr 13, 2008 Germany

    I like Hövels a lot. It's more common in the Ruhrgebiet area b/c it's from Dortmund. However, It's owned by the Radeberger Gruppe, the evil empire. The only good thing about that is it allows the huge distribution system an entry point to other German markets. When I visit my G/f's family, who live near Dortmund, that about the best beer available.

    What to me makes it an interesting beer is that it's based on an Dortmunder Alt but uses Lager yeast. I can't understand why the glass in your pic says "bitterbier,". For it's quite malty and not very bitter.
     
  28. Jeffreysan

    Jeffreysan Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Maryland
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    Schwaben Bräu from Stuttgart
    Bitburger in Bitburg
     
  29. boddhitree

    boddhitree Devotee (482) Apr 13, 2008 Germany

    C'mon, Bitburger is FERNSEHBIER and bland as all get out. It's no different from Becks or Warsteiner or any of the other mass produced swill.
     
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  30. Jeffreysan

    Jeffreysan Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Maryland
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    IMO, Bitburger is much better than Becks or Warsteiner, though nowhere near as good as Schwaben Bräu’s beers or any of the Münich beers.
     
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  31. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,005) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I agree. I would put Bitburger more on the spectrum with something like Koenig Pilsner. Not a bad beer by any stretch, IMO.
     
  32. einhorn

    einhorn Aspirant (292) Nov 3, 2005 California
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    Check out the S&H website and send a contact mail. Every state/county is different, best bet is you tell them exactly where you are to find out who is carrying DA/Schwaben or who may be vying for these "new" brands in your area.
     
  33. Jeffreysan

    Jeffreysan Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Maryland
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    Great, thanks!!
     
  34. boddhitree

    boddhitree Devotee (482) Apr 13, 2008 Germany

    Afraid I never had their Porter, which on their website they call a Hanse Porter, which I guess refers to being more of a lighter version of a Baltic porter. I have had their Schwarzbier, which I enjoyed a lot for its rich maltiness, and the Pilsner, which uses lots of German hops (Magnum, Tradition & Opal hops, according to their website), another which I enjoyed.
     
  35. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Disciple (389) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    Pick one up and tell me what you think. I'd be glad to hear another opinion on it. What struck me is that there is sugar listed as an ingredient (IIRC) and yet it's still only 4,0% ABV. Sure enough it tasted horribly sweet to me and, sadly, undrinkable. However I guess sweet stouts are a thing now, so maybe it's just a style I wasn't prepared for.
     
  36. Stahlsturm

    Stahlsturm Initiate (0) Mar 21, 2005 Germany

    That sounds rather vomit inducing to me... *shudders*
     
  37. whatsgoody

    whatsgoody Disciple (303) Nov 16, 2012 Vermont

    The porter was far sweeter than any other of the style that I've tried. Though it's a poorly executed example of the style, I found that it went down alright alongside a bowl of ice cream.
     
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  38. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,005) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Wanted to also mention Dithmarscher and Moravia (though owned, I believe, by Holsten) as good Northern German brewers. Also, Gasthausbrauerei Nolte on the outskirts of Lueneburg is something pretty special: http://www.gasthausbrauerei-nolte.de/
     
  39. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (1,868) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois

    Hah -- at least he didn't say Oyster Stout. And don't knock it till you've tried it. :D
     
  40. Crusader

    Crusader Initiate (190) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    Just curious, what did you pay for the mix pack? (I'm assuming you're referring to their Schatzkiste with the Roggen weizen, Pilsner, Schwarzbier, Hanse porter, Kellerbier and Bernstein Weizen).
     
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