Favourite Belgian-brewed American beer

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by patto1ro, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. patto1ro

    patto1ro Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Belgian have come a long way in brewing American beer. From hoppy, strong beers to strong, hoppy beers. My favourite is Houblon Chouffe - what's yours?
     
  2. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Jul 1, 2009 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    Belgium brewers are beating the pants off the original America beers nowadays.
     
  3. jesskidden

    jesskidden Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    How 'bout the American beer the Belgians brew in the old Stag brewery in London*, the one named after a city in the Czech Republic - can't get more American than that.

    * Still open, right? Despite having previously been on AB-InBev's chopping block for awhile?​
     
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  4. trevorjk

    trevorjk Aug 28, 2009 Netherlands
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    Evil Twin - Even more Jesus
    Mikkeller - Beer Geek series.
    De Molen is doing great stuff.

    ect ect
     
  5. Ruds

    Ruds Sep 15, 2008 United Kingdom (England)

    None of which are Belgian !!!
     
  6. deeblo

    deeblo Dec 17, 2011 Antarctica
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    De Struise Black Damnations
     
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  7. trevorjk

    trevorjk Aug 28, 2009 Netherlands
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    Ah touche, i was thinking European :p My bad. De Struise is doing a pretty damn good job as well then :)
     
  8. MN_Beerticker

    MN_Beerticker Jul 10, 2012 Minnesota

    Meh who needs geography when you are DRANKEN WHALEZ BRO!?!
     
  9. Cascade77

    Cascade77 May 14, 2009 Vermont

    Well first you would have to define what constitutes an 'American' beer because virtually all of our styles are interpretations, extensions, enhancements or bastardizations of Old World beers (which we should be quite proud of). Unless we are calling CDA, IDA or whatever you want to call it an American invention.

    For the purposes of this thread, I will give a nod to highly hopped creations as being "American'. That being said, De Ranke XX bitter has been one of the best at the liberal use of hops. In general I think the Belgian attempts at creating highly hopped beers has been a colossal failure but XX Bitter stands out as a success in my book.
     
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  10. Errto

    Errto Oct 20, 2009 Connecticut

    Probably St. Feuillen Bière de L'Amitié.
     
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  11. azorie

    azorie Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    What beer style have Americans invented? None I can think of.
     
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  12. GotWad629

    GotWad629 Sep 14, 2010 New York

    Ommegang Rare Vos for sure
     
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  13. herrburgess

    herrburgess Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    If I had to choose, probably Charleroi Brouwers Belgian Chocolate California Common. Like you say, however, there are any number of hoppy strong/strong hoppy alternatives that would make the list.
     
  14. superacct2004

    superacct2004 Sep 22, 2008 Michigan

    We Invented Banquet beer I think...
     
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  15. patto1ro

    patto1ro Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    That's the new Stag Brewery, really. The original Watney's Stag Brewery was between Victoria Station and Buckingham Palace. Mortlake was renamed the Stag Brewery when the original closed in 1959. (Thank you Norman Barber.)
     
  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Whoa, if taking something that has centuries of tradition behind it, and making it a flavorless mass produced swill that appeases the lowest common denomonator isn't an american invention I don't know what is. Now give me a coors lite and and some taco bell.
     
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  17. azorie

    azorie Mar 18, 2006 Florida

    yea but even lager from bmc was invented in europe first is my point. meaning no beer I can think was but maybe steam was invented here.
     
  18. geocool

    geocool Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    There are none, and no one in this thread has even mentioned a beer that fits the definition IMHO. Except maybe jesskidden :). A few have mentioned beers I've never heard of and aren't listed on this site.
     
  19. marquis

    marquis Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    The Germans were using plenty of rice in some of their brews before it became illegal in the early 20th century.
     
  20. geocool

    geocool Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I'm going to try to hijack this thread and propose that, IMHO, to qualify as a "Belgian-brewed American beer" it has to be brewed in Belgium by a Belgian owned brewery, and the style of the beer must be listed under "American Ales" or "American Lagers" on this site, specifically:
    I'm on the fence about "Belgian IPA." I think maybe some of these (clearly not all) could be considered American, but it's listed as Belgian on this site. I don't think De Ranke XX Bitter qualifies as it isn't even brewed with American hops, and Houblon Chouffe is really just a Belgian Tripel with American hops added at the end.

    Again, none of the beers mentioned so far seem to fit, just IMHO. I like the thread though, can you tell?
     
  21. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Jul 1, 2009 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    Cream Ale
    Steam Beer
    "Classic American Pilsner"
    American IPA
    Double IPA
    Multicolored IPA
    Scottish Ale
     
  22. Dennoman

    Dennoman Aug 20, 2011 Belgium

    The Struise/Molen Black Damnation series is a perfect blend of Belgian/Dutch skill and knowhow and big American balls in terms of flavor. Somehow people seem to think it's a rule that every 13%+ beer has to be flat and dead. If so, they've never had a Black Albert or any of its glorious BD variants. These are the beers that got me into craft and despite all of America's best efforts, they haven't been beaten yet.

    [​IMG]

    13% with a head and carbonation as gorgeous as you like. Technical perfection in pitch black form.

    Too bad they strayed from the path and can't stop doing these whacky-ass barrel aged beers that make zero sense. Like Black Jack: take a nearly flavorless porter, age it on wine barrels with blueberries (the world's most useless fruit, except for sours), notice it still hasn't got any flavor and then age it on bourbon just to salvage the batch. Come on now.

    BRING BACK THE BLACK!

    I have spoken.
     
  23. Cascade77

    Cascade77 May 14, 2009 Vermont

    So what about all of these American brewed IPA's coming out using exclusively (or predominantly) Galaxy, Jade, Riwaka etc. hops? Not American?
     
  24. geocool

    geocool Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I didn't say anything brewed with New Zealand (or even non-American) hops is not American. De Ranke XX Bitter is brewed with Continental / Noble hops, the same kinds used in all classic Belgian styles, there's just more of them.

    It's kinda off topic if an IPA with a clean American yeast/malt profile brewed with Australian or New Zealand hops qualifies as an American IPA, but I'd say "yes."
     
  25. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Mar 18, 2010 California

    Does Flanders Fred count?
     
  26. Longstaff

    Longstaff May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    Why do you people feed this troll?
     
  27. acevenom

    acevenom Oct 7, 2011 Louisiana

    Rice is still used in some European and Asian beers, so it's not a uniquely American thing. Reinheitsgebot was mostly effective in the post-1871 Germany in wiping out centuries of tradition in addition to competition by Bavarian breweries. But that's for another discussion entirely.

    As far as steam beer goes, it was developed independently in America and Germany, so it's not a unique American invention. There's a style of beer in Germany called dampfbier (literally steam beer) that is an all-barley ale utilizing hefeweizen yeast, so it's essentially a "hefe-barley." Obviously, this is quite different from Anchor Steam Beer and you can certainly read up on the process of making these beer styles and realize they're quite different.

    The Classic American Pilsner that utilizes either rice or corn as an adjunct is also not the same as the German Pilsener or the Czech Pilsner. This was a style that also gave rise to the American Cream Ale and its variants such as the Kentucky Common (a darker American ale that utilizes barley, corn, and rye in the grain bill).
     
  28. ImperialStoat

    ImperialStoat May 20, 2009 Ireland

    I like Cantillon's take on Jolly Pumpkin beers. They've really taken the American Wild style and made it their own.
     
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  29. patto1ro

    patto1ro Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    This one just won't die.

    I've been to the brewery in Zwiesel in the Bayerischer Wald where they brew Dampfbier. I spoke to the brewer and specifically asked about the yeast strain. According to him, it is not and never has been a Hefeweizen strain. It's just a neutral top-fermenting strain.

    Dampfbier tastes like a lightly-hopped Altbier. Not a trace of the spiciness from a Weissbier yeast.
     
  30. geocool

    geocool Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I have a hard time figuring out who the trolls are, maybe you could point me to a list?
     
  31. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    There has been some discussion about Belgian IPAs. Below is something I posted previously on this topic:

    I am of the opinion that there are two sub-styles of Belgian IPAs.

    There is an American style Belgian IPA where American hops are used. Examples of this sub-style are Flying Dog Raging Bitch, Lagunitas A Little Sumpin Wild, Stone Cali-Belgique, Green Flash Le Freak, etc.

    The Belgian brewed Belgian IPAs utilize European hops which result in a beer of a different character. Examples of this sub-style are De Ranke XX Bitter, Poperings Hommel Bier, Piraat, etc.

    My personal preference is the American style Belgian IPA with my favorite being Flying Dog Raging Bitch. I also really like the Flying Dog’s new beer: Wildeman Farmhouse IPA.

    Cheers!
     
  32. marquis

    marquis Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    What about green beer on St Patrick's Day?
     
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  33. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania

    Wasn't that started in Ireland!?!;)
     
  34. patto1ro

    patto1ro Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    New beer? Didn't Wildeman Farmhouse IPA come out two years ago?
     
  35. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Aug 1, 2009 Washington

    That looks gorgeous. I want one!
     
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  36. Localdrinklax

    Localdrinklax Jul 23, 2010 Wisconsin
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    Three Floyds Live A Rich Life
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  37. Lutter

    Lutter Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    You're doing it backwards, man! :)
     
  38. sunkistxsudafed

    sunkistxsudafed Apr 30, 2010 New Mexico

    the best i can do is Schlitz and Jack In The Box.
     
  39. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    Too many Struise beers to mention.
    De La Senne IPA’s.
    Troubadour Imperial Stout, Troubadour Westkust, Troubadour Magma.
    Viven Imperial IPA.
    Duvel Triple Hop Citra
    XX Bitter & Embrasse variations sort of count I suppose.
    Probably missing a couple more.
    I hope I am doing this right.
     
  40. Derranged

    Derranged Mar 7, 2010 New York

    You got that backwards. Thread starter meant American style beers brewed in Belgium, not Belgian style beers brewed in America.

    Rare Vos is fantastic however.
     
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