First Brew Recipe - Help me with your opinnion

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  1. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Hello BA brothers, this is the first beer im gonna brew and i know brewing from extract is much easier but i decided that i should go all grain cos is the way im gonna do it here in Panama where i live and its easier and cheaper for me to get grain than malt extract. I have a little program called BrewBot and here is the recipe, i scale a 5 gallons batch to 2 gallons recipe from a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale recipe i found on the web and i wanna know whats your opinnion about this, thoughts, ideas, anything that might help me get a decent and drinkable beer.
    Its my first all grain brew so i wanna make it perfect.

    The BrewBot calculated most of the numbers for IBU SRM and OG, i just scale the grain amount and hops.

    Doc Pale Ale #1
    A BrewBot Recipe File: abril 7, 2015
    Recipe Profile
    Volume: 2.00 gallons
    Fermentables: 4.09 lbs
    Anticipated OG: 1.056
    Anticipated SRM: 10.2
    Anticipated IBUs: 27.09
    System Efficiency: 75 percent
    Recipe Type: all grain
    BJCP Style Parameters
    Style: 10 A. American Pale Ale
    Original Gravity Range: 1.045-60
    IBU Range: 30-45
    SRM Range: 5-14
    Fermentables
    Amount Percent Name Potential Color (SRM)
    3.64 lbs 89.00 American 2 Row (Briess) 1.037 1.7
    0.45 lbs 11.00 Crystal 60 (Great Western) 1.034 60
    Hop Schedule
    Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
    0.12 ozs Magnum (Germany) pellets 12 11.75 60 min
    0.18 ozs Perle (US) pellets 7 7.90 30 min
    0.36 ozs Cascade (US) pellets 7 7.44 10 min
    .92 ozs Cascade (US) pellets 7 0.00 0 min
    Notes
    60 min max boiling time
    Yeast: Belgian Saison W2734(temp in panama is around 80F right now so i decided to use a yeast that can ferment at that temperature) or the White Labs WLP001 (California Ale) yeast if i can handle a swamp cooler at the right temperature.

    NOW, im thinking about using the saison yeast because it will help me deal with my temperature issue, but i dont know if the beer will stay as a Pale Ale or it has to be called a Saison Beer now, i dont know, i just wanna make good beer.

    AND, im having troubles with the volumes to reach the 2 gallons i need for my recipe. I know i need 2 gallons of water, plus 0.2 gallons per pound of grain, that would be around 0.8 gallons and after that the boil off and the trub loss and the equipment loss, im all confused about that.

    Help me with your thoughts, advices and tips to get this done, tx in advance.

    BTW i decided to make 2 gallons because im just starting at this and dont wanna waste a lot of resources in a 5 gallons batch and not getting a good beer and the size of my apartment is not that big so it suits me better in a smaller batch.
     
  2. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    I've never done a two gallon batch, so I can't help with the scaling, but, a couple thoughts:

    27 IBUs is too low if you're trying to get an SNPA-like beer. Most American pales these days are at least 40, and I'd probably shoot for more like 45-50.

    Saison yeast is, IMO, not a good idea. For one thing, it will give you a flavor profile and mouthfeel that are not at all like SNPA. Might be a good beer, but it will have a lot of flavors not normally associated with an American pale. Especially fermenting at higher temps. Also, some saison yeasts are very balky: they will stall and start up again a couple times, which can hard to deal with. I would just use WLP001/WY1056/SF05 and try to keep the temp down: it shouldn't be too hard to cool 2 gallons.
     
  3. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I think @VikeMan hinted at it for you in a different thread, but you should download his BrewCipher to do all the loss calculations. It's helpful for that and just about everything else.
     
  4. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    raising the IBU, ok ok, ill recalc all that.

    it is possible to keep the temperature between 65 to 68F with a swamp cooler?

    I know im suppose to get that american pale flavor, but if i use the saison, it might be a good beer?

    Brewcipher, got it, tx a lot for the tip. VikeMan told me that in a different thread but i think i missed that BrewCipher part. Tx a lot.
     
  5. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California


    Hey, you're not "supposed to" do anything except make a beer that you will enjoy. A saison yeast will probably make a good beer, given the recipe you're working with. It just will taste different than an American pale. It's all in what your goals are.

    I would think you could keep 2 gallons of beer at whatever temperature you wanted. Just set the carboy in a tub with some cool water, and add a little ice periodically to keep it in the mid-60sF.
     
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  6. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Ill start with an S05 with the cooling alternative you guys gave me.

    Ill save the saison for a future batch and see whats the difference in taste.
     
  7. Alpha309

    Alpha309 Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 California

    I know Panama is a bit warmer than here in LA, but I have problems with heat as well often. If you have access I would recommend just getting a big tub that holds the vessel you are using to ferment. Then fill it to about half way up. Get 3-4 (maybe more if you are warmer) water/coke/whatever plastic bottles and fill them and throw them in your freezer. I was able to keep my last batch at exactly 68F this way when it was in the 90sF. In fact I only had to add the water bottles twice once it hit 70F and it quickly brought it back down.

    I also agitated the water in the tub several times a day so that it was moving and staying cool without the help of the ice.

    If you use the bottles you don't have to waste ice, just throw them back in the freezer and then put the next ones in and have a rotation.
     
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  8. Applecrew135

    Applecrew135 Crusader (431) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    One thing about swamp coolers is that they are not very effective in high humidity environments. A swamp cooler depends on evaporation to work, so if the humidity is high the cooling effect will be limited. Using frozen water bottles in a water bath might be more effective than a swamp cooler setup.
     
  9. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I haven't run calcs on your recipe, but 2 observations.

    Saison yeast may taste good, but it will make a saison, not a pale ale. The taste will be way off.

    The crystal addition also seems high to me. I would scale it back in half.
     
  10. MarkGP

    MarkGP Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Rhode Island

    Just a thought here, since this is your first beer, I see you have efficiency set to 75%. IMHO, you should up the grains a little and shoot for 65-70% efficiency. I also agree on raising the IBU to the 40 to 50 range.
     
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  11. Reneejane

    Reneejane Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    Don't want to ask the obvious if you have this figured out, but, what method are you using to crush and mill the grains? Is the shop going to do it for you, or do you have a setup for that? when you ferment hot you will get more yeast flavors, like cloves, bananas, pepper, spice, phenols, etc. Your efficiency is probably lower than 75% like Mark says, and I'd actually err more down to the 60% range for a first all grain batch.
     
  12. TheGr8Sarcasmo

    TheGr8Sarcasmo Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Indiana

    Ditto this. I've done several all grain batches and I'm still trying to dial in a consistent efficiency of 75%. To do that you need good milling, ph, temp, etc, etc, etc. for your first all grain shoot for 60. Tops.
     
  13. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Ok. Awesome. I just set it to 75 cos that was the efficiency in the recipe. Ill ad more grain to the mix.
    And the shop will mill the grain for me. I dont have a mill at home, is that or a rolling pin. And those corona mills dont look very effective imo.

    Tx for your time guys i really appreciate your opinnions.
     
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  14. TheGr8Sarcasmo

    TheGr8Sarcasmo Initiate (0) Apr 3, 2015 Indiana

    I usually have my LHBS mill mine as well, and they have it pretty dialed in. Let me know how it turns out. The most important thing to do is take notes on literally everything. Times, temps, gravity, mash schedule, water, etc. That way if it does great and turns out perfect you can recreate it. Or, if it is bad, you can maybe see what you did wrong. I wish I had done that when I started.
     
  15. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Tx Gr8, ill do that.
     
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