Foothills blasted on Twitter for Sexual Chocolate beer

Jesse Helms was a master of spreading this pixie dust. Rooting against one's own self-interest is the most difficult truth about most all populist movements. FDR flipped the formula pretty well.

 

It is a Pixie product but it ain't their dust.

 

Like kids at Xmas with little or no food, little hope for better. We throw away so much that's others would cherish. I love the food drives at Xmas, but they still need food in April, or June too. We as a country regardless or race , party or whatever should be ashamed. It's sad, some parts of this country and some people in this country live a 3D world existence. I don't care about Sexual Chocolate one bit, the whole thing IMO so is trivial.

 

Alive and well....

 

It's pretty disturbing to see the vitriol coming from the socially conservative sect on this site around this issue. If you look back at the thread you'll see that I have primarily made immature jokes about potential label changes. To me this is a minor issue readily accessible for some low brow humor on a beer site.
From the folks who take this more seriously, the more lefty leaning members here have gone so far as to ask that people take the moment to pause and reflect on another persons life experience and recognize that they might be genuinely upset, for valid reasons, by this type of messaging.
The counter argument from the rightys that have chosen to speak up has been something to the effect of 'you're all pussies, this isn't possibly an issue for anyone, and I might get violent!'. Sad times we're living in when that is the kind of dialogue that comes up about a beer label on a beer website. Take that shite back to tweeter.
For my part, I remain curious what the more sensible among think the difference would be if the brewer/owner were black? What if the brewery just had a more diverse staff? I'm genuinely curious because I don't see this standing out in any way in our culture (loved the aunt jemima comment further up) and I wonder about peoples' feeling in regard to if this kind of imagery (i.e. exalting feminine sexuality) is in itself the problem or if it's more the race not matching the messengers race thing?

Also for the record I think that, while the name/image combo has elements that are obviously upsetting to some, I find the label image to be a very classy take on the black power/black is beautiful iconography. She looks like a classy lady to me

 

Every time y'all use SJW/PC, I'll use Nazi/Klansmen

 

Are you not entertained!!!

 

I mean dark lord day is essentially devil worship right? We’re cool with that.

 

Whoah, don't step on that needle !

 

Exactly!

 

Such is the case with my social media feeds. As a recent example I have seen maybe one or two posts about "Baby It's Cold Outside" being a bit creepy with a present-day perspective, but like 20 emotional posts about dem whiny "me toos" wanting to go and ban my favorite Christmas song [INSERT ALL CAPS HERE]!!1!

The doubling down of outrage is something else.

 

Maybe it's my Protestant upbringing, but I originally thought the fuss was going to be in the "sexual" part and not the "chocolate" part. More of a MeToo thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm a straight white Conservative male and probably wouldn't have ever bought the beer. But I don't like beers that have a guy crapping his pants on the label or ones that try too hard to be clever. This one seems kinda like that.

 

I appreciate all the advertising for a wonderful brewery in the small city of Winston-Salem. For those of you that have not tried the Sexual Chocolate yet, it's worth the taste. For those of you that haven't tried the bourbon barrel aged Sexual Chocolate, find a way to get your hands on it; really solid beer.

 

I had the BA version a couple years back and wasn't that impressed. Pretty pedestrian BA stout by today's standards IMO. The label made a strange addition to my home made craft label coaster collection. In fact I'd say that damn label is the only thing about it that stuck out as being particularly distinctive. Hence the use of gimmicks...

 

I'm sure I speak for many others when I say it is our pleasure!

Most looking forward to lovely beer and of course the tasteful label art!!!

 

Lethal response.

I'm sure if it so much as crossed anyone's mind to step out of line in this way, your strong words will stop them dead in their tracks.

 

The race of the brewery owner or the employees of the brewery is utterly immaterial with respect to how I view this.

 

Well that's pretty obvious with you, I'm curious about the people who find the name/label to be upsetting.

 

Understood.

 

You know every time someone says “Obama” something nostalgic wot woz great when I was growing up dies

Also @NextBestThing liked your post so clearly misunderstood it. #awkward

 

You are so clueless with respect to what my opinions are it's pitiful.

 

Well, that's what often happens when you conceal them behind Anonymity and written communication only. You may think you and your intentions are being understood, but...

http://archive.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179

 

That's what happens to you.

I have zero desire to utilize energy having anything other than flippant dialogue with emotional bottle rockets.

 

Noap, I've no dog in this fight. And it has now become clear you have no desire to communicate clearly. Have a nice evening.

 

See ya!

 

Own it. It's ok. Happens to everyone. Sorry didn't mean to upset you - was just a joke. Apologies

 

To the people who complain about “sjws” and people being too PC:

Have you ever asked yourself why they are upset without immediately resorting to “they are too sensitive?”


Since the majority of craft is white and male, what do you think things like this look like to minorities?

Of course things like this do not bug you because of the intense homophily that is present. Look at Foothill’s staff, I bet it didn’t offend them either. All middle aged white people.

Cultural appropriation has been used for centuries to profit. Nowadays folks see it and say something about it. If you are reading this and rolling your eyes, why are you so uncomfortable when people who do not look like you become uncomfortable?

Craft beer as an industry has the power to be more inclusive, after all we all want to sell more beer not disenfranchise groups further.

 

I guess they should have just put eddie murphy's in costume pic and gone for the big lawsuit instead.

 

As much as it pains me to admit it, the Liverpool fan is talking sense.

I'm staggered that this thread hasn't been locked yet. I've been cautioned by the mods for saying more temperate things than are being said in this thread, and I'm on the side of the angels.

 

If you are going to start the discussion by limiting who gets to participate in the discussion, you aren't really having a discussion

 

The side of the angels. Some of you went off the deep end a decade ago, but I'll say what I feel like saying here anyway.

First you presume to speak on behalf of what you imagine are morally indignant black folks.

Then you presume to speak on behalf of what you imagine are guiltist white folks.

Now you top it off by presuming to speak for "angels".

Individual people speak for themselves. This is a radical concept but if you raise the veil on your entitlement and your sanctimony it may be of benefit.

 

Damn - you seem like the most offended person in here.

 

Yeah, I've always felt that when white people speak up for minorities saying something is offensive to certain minority groups it seems so demeaning.

Minorities can speak for themselves. They don't need others to tell them how something should make them feel.

 

There are definitely instances where it crosses the line into self-righteousness, but otherwise it’s known as empathy. Not a bad thing if everyone operates with a healthy dose of it IMO (not specifically around race-related stuff, just every day in general)

 

This is a tough one. The knee jerk reaction is to label this political correctness gone mad. This type of scrutiny of and the constant framing of situations to fit a narrative of white dominant power relationships or white dominant interactions and situations can take us down a rabbit hole eroding relationships we are trying to build between races and people of color (and yes being white or Caucasian is a color). Scrutinizing what is supposed to be fun loving and applying a hypersensitive lens without grasping for some common sense in these matters invokes a reactionary and overly emotional response which falls into the area of interpreting social interactions and situations to fit a narrative of racism or whatever (fit the word in here). On the other hand Foothills beer - Sexual Chocolate is named after the fictional band in Eddie Murphy’s Coming to America yet the label has the pic of a tastefully dressed and beautiful black woman. Problem is Sexual Chocolate points to male misogyny directed towards black women. It would be unfair to label this white male misogyny as I have heard white men, black men and Hispanic men refer to black women as "Sexual Chocolate". I don't think I have heard this term used to deface black women in a long time. Calling an African American Woman that just sounds stupid. Being Hispanic, my wife being African American - we enjoyed out times at Foot Hills Brewery in Winston-Salem as well as other cities in North Carolina. The vibe of the people there in Winston-Salem (as well as throughout the state) was welcoming and cool. Great people. And the bottle of Sexual Chocolate? I thought the pic was cool. It amused me that an outstanding and deliciously made chocolatey, dark beer was called Sexual Chocolate and that a tasteful, beautiful black woman graced the front of the bottle. If you are an African American Woman you may think it was distasteful and stupid. My wife loves the beer.

Two good articles I read on the counter point to this...

https://medium.com/@whileseated/foo...ping-sexual-chocolate-to-atlanta-722237173653

https://triad-city-beat.com/desexualizing-sexual-chocolate/

 

I did all that? Golly.

Pretty impressive, I say, especially in light of my only having posted a couple of times, and briefly, in this thread as compared to your 700 contributions to these 9 pages.

(Also, for readers less adept at discerning tone, please note that when someone claims to be on "the side of the angels," they're almost always being archly ironic.)

 

Give the guy a break. Already been tripped up a few times by posts wot woz not straightforward. Stop it with your liberal witchcraft “irony” SJW PC police cultural Marxism BS

 

The Humanities leapt out of the bushes and bit me on the arm and now I just can't stop being rhetorically indeterminate!

 

@Alequine's post above is the best thing I've read here thus far.