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Founders All Day IPA: Secret Ingredient Corn

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by bbeane, May 21, 2013.

  1. bbeane

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    Any one want to weigh in on this? Is it bringing to light that Founders is using an "untraditional" ingredient as stated by the Brewers Association or just proving that a good beer can actually be made using corn?
     
  2. Longstaff

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    oooh that's crafty. But seriously, as long as you enjoy it, why would anyone care?
     
  3. chocosushi

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    Agreed.
    Flaked maize (corn) can be a good addition for a session brew, even if it is an 'adjunct.'
     
  4. benjaminahudson

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    taste. thats what I weigh in on this.
     
  5. CellarGimp

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    Believe it or not, adjuncts are quite prolific in English bitters. ADIPA could arguably be an aggressively hopped Best Bitter.
     
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    Corn extract? The travesty!
     
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    I have no problem with adjuncts if used properly. You might be surprised at the use in some beers.
     
  8. bramsdell

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    Coffee is an adjunct. Cocoa nibs are an adjunct. Fruit is an adjunct. Maple syrup is an adjunct. Vanilla beans are an adjunct.

    Adjuncts aren't necessarily evil.
     
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    It's clearly used "to enhance rather than lighten flavor." ;-)
     
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    Many reputable beers use corn, Rodenbach Grand Cru for example.
     
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    Pliny the Elder uses corn sugar for christ's sake. Some craft beer drinkers need to realize that adjuncts aren't always bad.
     
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    Kuhnhenn's DRIPA uses rice (it's what the 'R' in the name stands for) which would be considered an adjunct. I suppose that may bother some people, and if so they can leave the DRIPA for me.

    ...seriously though, leave the DRIPA for me.
     
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    Wrong. The secret ingredient is...

    ...

    love. <3 <3 <3 all you guys! Cheers!
     
  14. mcomben

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    I should also point out that I'm currently obsessed with All Day...just a great beer.
     
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    I still love it.
     
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    Corn. Oh the humanity.
     
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    It could be made with turds as long as it fucking tastes good.
     
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    Does the beer taste good? If the answer is yes, I don't see a problem.
     
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    I actually don't like this beer.
    However, no problem with corn. I tasted some very good corn malt beers- low ABV, in Sweden.
     
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    I'm sure you all would be just as understanding if GI put out a corn-containing light IPA, right? ;)
     
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    Scatology and beer usually don't mix well, unless it's a reference to the undrinkables.
     
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    So their being innovative?
     
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    While that exists, the bigger problem is the opponents of the BA's craft definition trying to play "gotcha" with every beer who uses corn.
     
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    Posts like this put me in mind of Harold Bloom's essay on "the anxiety of influence." If U.S. craft beer can eventually manage to emerge from its anxiety about resembling BMC in even the remotest possible way, it may finally come of age and mature.
     
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    Tolerance of adjunct use is inversely proportional to brewery size.
     
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    This is probably the single most positive thing I've seen posted on this forum.
     
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    Is it GMO?
     
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    Not according to the definition of "adjunct" as used in the brewing industry, which is:
    Since these contain fermentable sugars, they could be considered adjuncts as well as often used primarily as a flavoring agent, if added before fermentation.
     
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    Founders should just be lucky that they're not in Bavaria in 1516, otherwise they'd be SKROOOD.

    There's really nothing wrong if you're using corn to balance out a recipe or achieve a certain flavor profile. The problem (at least in my mind) is if you're using a ton of corn to make a cheap beer.
     
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    Precisely. If it were revealed that Heady Topper is made with adjuncts, any brewery not using adjuncts would be crucified.
     
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    I get your drift, but as Jesskidden pointed out, technically, adjuncts are ingredients that add to the fermentation process. From Beer101 on this site: "Malts (and adjuncts) provide the fermentable sugars that are required to make beer..."

    So, yeah maple syrup and fruit can be adjuncts, depending on how much goes into the wort, but coffee, vanilla beans and cocoa nibs probably aren't since they wouldn't provide enough sugar to ferment appreciably. There's a difference between flavorings and adjuncts. "Adjunct", in beer making, is not synonymous with "addition."
     
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    Belgians are already have us beat here..
     
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    You can make excellent beer with adjuncts and awful beer without them. Corn and rice aren't bad adjuncts just because they've been used in mass market American lagers.
     
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    Was this back in the 90s or earlier?
     
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    Almost 40% of the US crop corn is used in ethanol production in the US in 2011. Doesn't surprise me ;).
     
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    LIKE the one from weasel POOP, thank you, you arrogant bastard Mikkallar ...wait..mikellar....Mikkellars Beer geek Brunch....
     
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    I thought All Day was people.
     
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    Man, does anyone think that the addition of rice to Budweiser "beneficially compliment(s) or suppliment(s) the principal brewing material"? By this definition none of the Macros use adjuncts IMHO.
     
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