Founders All Day IPA: Secret Ingredient Corn

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by bbeane, May 21, 2013.

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  1. bbeane

    bbeane Defender (619) May 10, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Any one want to weigh in on this? Is it bringing to light that Founders is using an "untraditional" ingredient as stated by the Brewers Association or just proving that a good beer can actually be made using corn?
  2. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    oooh that's crafty. But seriously, as long as you enjoy it, why would anyone care?
  3. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    Flaked maize (corn) can be a good addition for a session brew, even if it is an 'adjunct.'
  4. benjaminahudson

    benjaminahudson Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2012 North Carolina

    taste. thats what I weigh in on this.
  5. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Disciple (335) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    Believe it or not, adjuncts are quite prolific in English bitters. ADIPA could arguably be an aggressively hopped Best Bitter.
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  6. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Meyvn (1,126) Mar 1, 2009 California

    Corn extract? The travesty!
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  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,316) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    I have no problem with adjuncts if used properly. You might be surprised at the use in some beers.
  8. bramsdell

    bramsdell Aspirant (278) May 27, 2011 North Carolina

    Coffee is an adjunct. Cocoa nibs are an adjunct. Fruit is an adjunct. Maple syrup is an adjunct. Vanilla beans are an adjunct.

    Adjuncts aren't necessarily evil.
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  9. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    It's clearly used "to enhance rather than lighten flavor." ;-)
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  10. ImperialStoat

    ImperialStoat Aspirant (246) May 20, 2009 Ireland
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    Many reputable beers use corn, Rodenbach Grand Cru for example.
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  11. Danny1217

    Danny1217 Champion (852) Jul 15, 2011 Florida
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    Pliny the Elder uses corn sugar for christ's sake. Some craft beer drinkers need to realize that adjuncts aren't always bad.
  12. mcomben

    mcomben Initiate (162) Dec 2, 2008 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    Kuhnhenn's DRIPA uses rice (it's what the 'R' in the name stands for) which would be considered an adjunct. I suppose that may bother some people, and if so they can leave the DRIPA for me.

    ...seriously though, leave the DRIPA for me.
  13. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Wrong. The secret ingredient is...


    love. <3 <3 <3 all you guys! Cheers!
  14. mcomben

    mcomben Initiate (162) Dec 2, 2008 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    I should also point out that I'm currently obsessed with All Day...just a great beer.
  15. DaKur

    DaKur Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2012 Rhode Island

    I still love it.
  16. Rekrule

    Rekrule Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    Corn. Oh the humanity.
  17. tectactoe

    tectactoe Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan

    It could be made with turds as long as it fucking tastes good.
  18. TheNightwatchman

    TheNightwatchman Zealot (512) Mar 28, 2009 Pennsylvania

    Does the beer taste good? If the answer is yes, I don't see a problem.
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  19. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

  20. brureview

    brureview Meyvn (1,285) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts

    I actually don't like this beer.
    However, no problem with corn. I tasted some very good corn malt beers- low ABV, in Sweden.
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  21. emannths

    emannths Initiate (194) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'm sure you all would be just as understanding if GI put out a corn-containing light IPA, right? :wink:
  22. brureview

    brureview Meyvn (1,285) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts

    Scatology and beer usually don't mix well, unless it's a reference to the undrinkables.
  23. Hop_juice

    Hop_juice Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2013 Wyoming

    So their being innovative?
  24. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    While that exists, the bigger problem is the opponents of the BA's craft definition trying to play "gotcha" with every beer who uses corn.
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  25. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,035) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
    Industry Beer Trader

    Posts like this put me in mind of Harold Bloom's essay on "the anxiety of influence." If U.S. craft beer can eventually manage to emerge from its anxiety about resembling BMC in even the remotest possible way, it may finally come of age and mature.
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  26. kdb150

    kdb150 Devotee (485) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Tolerance of adjunct use is inversely proportional to brewery size.
  27. Lantern

    Lantern Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2011

  28. stayclean

    stayclean Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2012 Wisconsin

    This is probably the single most positive thing I've seen posted on this forum.
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  29. rauchfest

    rauchfest Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Is it GMO?
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  30. jesskidden

    jesskidden Meyvn (1,305) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey

    Not according to the definition of "adjunct" as used in the brewing industry, which is:
    Since these contain fermentable sugars, they could be considered adjuncts as well as often used primarily as a flavoring agent, if added before fermentation.
  31. ao125

    ao125 Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2010 Virginia

    Founders should just be lucky that they're not in Bavaria in 1516, otherwise they'd be SKROOOD.

    There's really nothing wrong if you're using corn to balance out a recipe or achieve a certain flavor profile. The problem (at least in my mind) is if you're using a ton of corn to make a cheap beer.
  32. DStoked

    DStoked Aspirant (257) Sep 28, 2011 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    Precisely. If it were revealed that Heady Topper is made with adjuncts, any brewery not using adjuncts would be crucified.
  33. 5thOhio

    5thOhio Zealot (501) May 13, 2007 South Carolina

    I get your drift, but as Jesskidden pointed out, technically, adjuncts are ingredients that add to the fermentation process. From Beer101 on this site: "Malts (and adjuncts) provide the fermentable sugars that are required to make beer..."

    So, yeah maple syrup and fruit can be adjuncts, depending on how much goes into the wort, but coffee, vanilla beans and cocoa nibs probably aren't since they wouldn't provide enough sugar to ferment appreciably. There's a difference between flavorings and adjuncts. "Adjunct", in beer making, is not synonymous with "addition."
  34. BrettHead

    BrettHead Devotee (479) Sep 18, 2010 Nebraska

    Belgians are already have us beat here..
  35. acevenom

    acevenom Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2011 Louisiana

    You can make excellent beer with adjuncts and awful beer without them. Corn and rice aren't bad adjuncts just because they've been used in mass market American lagers.
  36. Crusader

    Crusader Aspirant (200) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    Was this back in the 90s or earlier?
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  37. Benish

    Benish Savant (924) Mar 13, 2013 Wisconsin
    Beer Trader

    Almost 40% of the US crop corn is used in ethanol production in the US in 2011. Doesn't surprise me :wink:.
  38. BamBamJohnny

    BamBamJohnny Initiate (131) Sep 26, 2011 Georgia

    LIKE the one from weasel POOP, thank you, you arrogant bastard Mikkallar ...wait..mikellar....Mikkellars Beer geek Brunch....
  39. mjshearer1

    mjshearer1 Aspirant (213) Dec 16, 2011 Michigan
    Beer Trader

    I thought All Day was people.
  40. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    Man, does anyone think that the addition of rice to Budweiser "beneficially compliment(s) or suppliment(s) the principal brewing material"? By this definition none of the Macros use adjuncts IMHO.
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