Founders All Day IPA: Secret Ingredient Corn

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  1. bramsdell

    bramsdell Aspirant (278) May 27, 2011 North Carolina

    By brewers' definition, I certainly agree. Still, no one's jumping on Lawson's back for using maple or Armand's back for fruit. My only point is that "adjunct" is not synonymous with evil.
  2. emannths

    emannths Aspirant (215) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    What's the TTB's definition? They're basically chemicals like enzymes, yeast nutrients, and antifoam agents right?
  3. bmony26

    bmony26 Initiate (186) May 2, 2012 Wisconsin
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    So when I make my next homebrew and one of my hair or toe nails accidentally fall into my wort can I classify it as an adjunct? Just kidding.
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,542) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Oh boy, I am probably going to regret this ……

    The word “beneficially” could be interpreted different ways. Since I am a craft beer drinker, I would have the opinion that the rice that is used to make Budweiser is not a “benefit” since it lightens the beer and adds essentially zero flavor.

    If I was a regular Budweiser drinker (and there are a lot of them out there) I would think that the rice is a “benefit” since I desire to drink a beer that is light in body and light in flavor.

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  5. ksbc3

    ksbc3 Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2012 Alaska
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  6. geocool

    geocool Initiate (175) Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I agree. I'd say the BA's "to enhance rather than lighten flavor" means pretty much the same thing as the MBAA's "beneficially compliment or suppliment the principal brewing material" means pretty much the same thing as Justice Potter Stewart's attempt to define pornography: "I know it when I see it."
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  7. brureview

    brureview Meyvn (1,412) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts

    I drank it last summer in Skansen on Midsommers day. Near the entrance, there is a cafe and they served Vildmark which is a corn based lager as I recall. Also, Falcon Export( Carlsberg) may be corn based, and is good on tap.
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  8. Crusader

    Crusader Aspirant (224) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    The reason I ask is because pretty much every Swedish macro beer these days is all-malt except for two notable examples in the budget beer category which use corn, additionally the 7.5%-10% lagers (our malt liquors if you will) are made with an addition of sugar for fermentables. In the 90s there was a pushback against adjuncts in beer due to an advertising campaign by Spendrups brewery which was already "brewing according to Reinheitsgebot" (simply brewing without adjuncts), they contrasted their own "real beer" ("real beer is made with malt, hops yeast and water") against beers made with "additives". Then there was the GMO debate which made Carlsberg decide to stop using corn in their recipe and started advertising their Carlsberg brand as all-malt.

    I haven't had Vildmark but I would be surprised to learn that Jämtlands would brew a beer with corn. What you will find printed on every bottle and can of beer here though is "innehåller kornmalt" or "innehåller malt av korn" (contains barley malt, contains malt from barley), unless they have a full ingredients list where they will list barley malt as simply kornmalt. Maybe the word korn made you think it was made with corn? Corn is majs in Swedish.
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  9. Chinaskifan1

    Chinaskifan1 Aspirant (202) Nov 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Corn can add just a hint of sweetness. I like it.
  10. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    Put me in the camp that prefers their beer to be sans turd.
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  11. Providence

    Providence Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island

    To quote Lewis Black: "Corn's in everything. It's even in green beans."

    Like others above, while I am generally concerned with the fact that corn is in so much stuff, this one doesn't bother me. Corn has a place in beer (see all the solid brews that use flaked maze), so I got no gripe with it. Does it make Founders less of a "craft" brewery? I don't think so at all.
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  12. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    Kornmalt threw me off the first time I saw it, but then as I looked at more swedish beer labels, I continued to notice kornmalt on the label, got curious, and looked it up. Sure enough, barleymalt.
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  13. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    I must admit that I am surprised that no one "cares" or seems to be surprised about this adjunct. Seems as if these brewing "tricks" that used to be belittled because the big boys were doing it is now acceptable as long as the beer is from a well liked brewery that produces styles "we" like.

    I guess more people on here just understand the brewing process from a commercial side more than I would have thought. (Brewing with sugar, corn, force carbonating, etc.)
  14. frankthetank86

    frankthetank86 Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2012 New York

    Kopi luwak (Indonesian pronunciation: [ˈkopi ˈlu.aʔ]), or civet coffee, refers to the beans of coffee berries once they have been eaten and excreted by the Asian Palm Civet.

    mmm... enjoy you turd munchers! bahaha:grinning:
  15. brureview

    brureview Meyvn (1,412) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts

    I can't recall the label ingredients. But I believe that the label stated "korn". BTW, last year, a new micro brew bar opened( it seemed new) in the Old City in Stockholm. I didn't have a chance to go in. It seemed like it was offering only Swedish micros. Not crowded though. Have you been there? It's on the main tourist street up from the Palace, on the right.
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  16. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,190) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    There are a few breweries around Denver that have taken to making session/table beers and many of them readily reveal that they're using corn or occasionally rice.
    If someone is making something under 5% that tastes great, I don't care if they're brewing it with rocks.
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  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,382) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    In much of Europe Korn/corn=grain as in Barleycorn
    Maize = what we call corn in the USA.
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  18. Crusader

    Crusader Aspirant (224) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden

    Yeah that would be my guess as well :slight_smile: .

    I haven't been to Stockholm in quite a few years now, not since I turned 18 in fact, so I haven't been able to check out the craft beer centric bars there but it sounds like they have a few really good ones. The on-premise prices here makes me hesitant to spend much time, or money, in bars and pubs though. Drinking craft beers at home is alot more affordable sadly.
  19. marquis

    marquis Crusader (775) Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    Technically an adjunct is an unmalted grain using excess enzymes from the malt in order to convert the goodies into sugar.The term has been used loosely more recently to include other forms of fermentable material. It is not the same as "added non malt ingredient"
    Many excellent brewers use them.Fuller's used around 6% flaked maize in all their brews at one time.Duvel is stuffed full of candi sugar.It is not the devil's work, that's been filled by nitro.
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  20. herrburgess

    herrburgess Meyvn (1,044) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    4.7% ABV.
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  21. bbeane

    bbeane Defender (619) May 10, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What if its MillerCoors or Budweiser?
  22. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish Defender (638) May 11, 2012 Missouri
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    I don't care what is in a beer as long as it tastes good and doesn't kill me
  23. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Aspirant (218) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois
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    Ain't dat the truff.
  24. Domingo

    Domingo Poo-Bah (2,190) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    AC Golden (Coors) has brewed some sub 5% sours I love. Good beer is good beer to me.
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  25. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (420) May 28, 2007 Michigan
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    Man, you've must of missed the tons of threads who think Founders sucks now....:stuck_out_tongue:
  26. pixieskid

    pixieskid Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    Yeah I know that nobody was too thrilled with Bolt Cutter and no one has been happy with them since CBS isn't available all the time...:rolling_eyes:
  27. stealth

    stealth Zealot (509) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Culinary curveball: Corn!
  28. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,453) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Well, let's see, rice, and other adjuncts used in AAL make beer that has the exact flavors over 90% of beer drinkers enjoy, so I guess I would say, yes, yes there are some people who think adjuncts beneficially compliment.
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  29. Jnorton00

    Jnorton00 Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Your logic has no place on BA! Lets break out the pitch forks and torches and go after Founders for tricking us!
  30. Lifeofbrian

    Lifeofbrian Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2010 Minnesota

    My stomach doesn't digest corn well so I will be passing on this beer.
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