Release Founders Bolt Cutter 15th Anniversary Barley Wine

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  1. Steimie

    Steimie Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    From the website:
    Bolt Cutter is a cellarable barley wine with an ABV of 15%. Dry-hopped with a mountain of Cascade hops, it’s balanced by a malty sweetness and spicy complexity, resulting from barrel aging some of it in bourbon barrels, some in maple syrup-bourbon barrels and some not at all (standard fermentation only).
  2. sullenbee

    sullenbee Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2010 Michigan

    Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet or not but... a word of warning for those coming tomorrow to the party from out of town, the back parking lot is torn up while they are expanding - and the front lot isn't going to be available because they are using it as an overflow area. The city of Grand Rapids does not charge for parking on Saturdays, but you may have to walk a bit to find a spot. Probably going to ride my bike down early and avoid the hassle altogether, but figured I would pass on the word to those who aren't familiar with the area.
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  3. ryanfolty

    ryanfolty Aspirant (215) Jul 17, 2011 Minnesota
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    Anybody know when and how much is hitting Chicago?
  4. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Have yet to crack a bottle, but here at Founders the Bolt Cutter is drinking very well. This is definitely one to cellar even though it is fantastic now.
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  5. Corbet

    Corbet Initiate (164) Nov 7, 2010 Michigan
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    I have a Founders questions that isn't worth making a thread for - why did Founders change the recipe of Nemesis in 2010 and why did they stop making it altogether? I think I remember hearing that they were told to cease using the name "Nemesis", but why not just change the name of the beer and continue selling it?

    A seasonal/limited barleywine every year would be awesome, I'd love to see one instead of Devil Dancer.
  6. Tee2Grn

    Tee2Grn Aspirant (286) Nov 6, 2012 Michigan
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    I'm on the waiting list at a local store for next weeks release. Curious to see how much this gets marked up, especially at a certain store close to me.
  7. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    that seems pretty nonsensical. why cellar something when it's fantastic now?
  8. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    I'm just saying it's great now and that it seems like it will age very well. Not sure how that is nonsensical. Most folks that went to Founders got 2 bottles and hopefully they at least enjoy one fresh and hang on to the other for a while.

    Tons of people cellar beer that is also great fresh. Sounds like you're just trolling.
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  9. Mbennett

    Mbennett Aspirant (270) Jun 16, 2011 New York
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    The same reason most people cellar beers. To see how the beer will change with time on it.
  10. axeman9182

    axeman9182 Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2009 New Jersey
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    The idea behind Nemesis was that it would be a different beer every year (09 was the -bal wheatwine and 10 the black barleywine). They had to stop using the Nemesis name due to a trademark issue. Wish they would re-release that black barleywine, it was pretty damn tasty.
  11. Corbet

    Corbet Initiate (164) Nov 7, 2010 Michigan
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    If their Q&A is any indication, there's a good chance we'll see the '09 Nemesis released next year in some form.
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  12. mikeincharleston

    mikeincharleston Defender (643) May 1, 2009 North Carolina
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    Why cellar a beer that is fantastic now? Example, double bastard is amazing fresh and amazing with a few years on it. It changes but is still awesome for different reasons as it ages.
  13. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    oh. i thought most people cellar beer to let the flavor drop off while trade value goes up.

    barrel-aged beer is already oxidized and has a greater risk of falling off with age than a 'normal' beer; it seems like an unusual risk to me to take a beer that is already a known, wonderful quantity and age it, risking it dropping off into something crappy. it's your right, but i find it a silly thought process.

    agreed, there's no possibility that my point went over your head.
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  14. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    Nothing went over my head at all. When trying to make a point, people typically state some reasons behind what they are saying to justify said point. When you post something on BA, you're typically being a smartass. Oh wait... maybe it did go over my head.

    Your second post (that included some actual reasons for your first comment) definitely convinced me to go crack all of my Bolt Cutters and chug them immediately for fear they will be an oxidized mess very soon.... just like the rest of Founders barrel aged beers.

    Damn... but then I can't wait for the hype and value to build up for all those Bolt Cutters that I'm not even going to trade.
  15. Mbennett

    Mbennett Aspirant (270) Jun 16, 2011 New York
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    You make very valid points, but even if this 15% barrel aged barley wine is drinking great now, i think it would be a fun experiment to see how it changes with time. I def don't see it falling off within the next year or 2, but to each his own.
  16. BreakingBad

    BreakingBad Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012

    Great barleywine, one of the best I've ever had. It is dangerously easily drinkable for 15%
  17. Vonstein15

    Vonstein15 Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2010 Ohio

    I will look for this in KY,since OH is still one of the backwards states
  18. VncentLIFE

    VncentLIFE Meyvn (1,417) Feb 16, 2011 North Carolina
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    the last Backstage release (Frangelic) wasnt as wildly popular as CBH and CBS.
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  19. founder26

    founder26 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2009 Michigan

    do you know anything about cellaring beer?
  20. tobelerone

    tobelerone Poo-Bah (2,082) Dec 1, 2010 New York
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    Thanks for clearing that up for me!
  21. ChadQuest

    ChadQuest Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2009 Illinois

    Pliny is fantastic now, why not age some?
  22. ChadQuest

    ChadQuest Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2009 Illinois

    start a petition.
  23. Corbet

    Corbet Initiate (164) Nov 7, 2010 Michigan
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    Is anyone else disappointed with the Bolt Cutter glass? The one they sold me was already wrapped up and I came home to find some of the S in the Founders logo missing and a section under Bolt Cutter missing.
  24. nasty31

    nasty31 Initiate (0) May 5, 2010 Indiana

    Think they all are mine and my buddies are the same way
  25. maximumu13

    maximumu13 Initiate (0) Aug 31, 2010 Ohio

    My glass doesn't have any errors on it
  26. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    i know that cellaring always improves beer, and that you'd be a fool not to do it to everything you buy.

    please correct me if i'm wrong. i wish to learn at your feet.
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  27. Naters333

    Naters333 Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2012 Illinois


    My watering hole had a founders day with tons of Founders choices. Just so happens when I got off work they still had Bolt Cutter...and lots of it. So good..


    As you can see, they still had some options at 2am:slight_smile: Great beer.
  28. founder26

    founder26 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2009 Michigan

    wow you are a very negative person aren't you :grinning: guess i'll just add ya to my ignore list, there that was easy!
  29. chuckycheese

    chuckycheese Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2010 Maine

    Just curious what Bolt Cutter sold for at brewery or other retail locations? $19 up here.
  30. patol8

    patol8 Initiate (197) Jul 6, 2010 Michigan
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    $23 at the brewery.
  31. jmgrub

    jmgrub Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2010 California

    Got a taste of this one at the Map Room's 20th anniversary party yesterday. First, this is not an English me it's the definition of an American Barleywine. Way too much hop presence to fit into the English category. Second, I could see this being great in a couple years, but I would argue that this isn't really ready to drink yet. Nonetheless, glad I got to try it (nothing stood much of a chance after Bourbon Vanilla Dark Lord) and I'll look to revisit in a year or two.
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  32. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    ....and next comes the snarky comment about how he doesn't care that you blocked him.

    I guess trolling is far more important these days than contributing constructive input to a conversation about a new beer.
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  33. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Meyvn (1,248) Feb 27, 2009 Illinois
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    Barrel aged you just wouldn't know it.
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  34. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    you're wrong. i do care. i was devastated, and it ruined my morning. i hid in the stairwell and cried.

    then how would you characterize his first post:

    as for trolling, all i did was ask why, if a beer is fantastic, you would age it reflexively. that kind of unthinking thought process is causing thousands of bottles to languish in cellars until they are past their prime. it's a damn shame. i think we should challenge these basic assumptions about cellaring.

    as is too often the case, you have confused 'trolling' for 'saying something you don't want to hear.'

    if it's a great beer now, drink (or trade) a sure thing.
  35. founder26

    founder26 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2009 Michigan

    no kidden, guess some people have nothing better to do with their lives then argue on the internet with no clue of what their talking about!
  36. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    and what do you think you're doing? :facepalm:

    fyi, you still haven't said anything other than "do you know anything about cellaring?"

    and when challenged, you ran off. :rolling_eyes:
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  37. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    If that is all you were trying to say, your first post would have read much more like your second one. You decided to bait rather than just express your thoughts on cellaring beer that is good fresh in the first place. Classic case of internet trolling and you do it rather frequently around here so it's not too hard to spot.

    I am not deciding to age anything reflexively - many of us were lucky to enjoy the beer at Founders this weekend and noticed many qualities that make this beer suitable for aging, just like other barley wines that have a strong hop presence when fresh. I guess Founders must be trying to hoodwink us because they deliberately included "cellarable" in the description and went as far as to say it is suited for long term aging.

    I personally drink far more than I hang on to and my tasting group and friends can attest to that. Thanks for quickly lumping me into the crowd that hangs on to beer well past its prime in hopes that trade value goes up when you know absolutely nothing about me. You can go troll some other thread now, you already won this one. Hi 5!
  38. founder26

    founder26 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2009 Michigan

    instead of getting kicked off this site like im sure leviathan or whatever his name will be, I will agree that even founders puts on their bottles this is a cellarable beer, if you think its too hoppy maybe in a year or 2 you will like it alot more?
  39. GrizzWranglin

    GrizzWranglin Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 South Carolina

    It says Barley Wine Ale on the lable that's posted at the top. Maybe he means English or American
  40. Etan

    Etan Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Wisconsin

    So trolling is using sarcasm to make a substantive point? I guess you're a troll then (see bold).
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