Founders "Doom" (next backstage release) thoughts

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  1. KzooBeerBrian

    KzooBeerBrian Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2011 Michigan

  2. nickMB

    nickMB Disciple (310) Nov 17, 2009 Illinois

    It's's closer to like a bourbon barleywine with some extra IPA hop bitterness. Read the reviews on it, used to be called hand of doom.
  3. yeahnatenelson

    yeahnatenelson Meyvn (1,165) Feb 8, 2010 Illinois
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    I'm excited. This and Looking Glass were the two Founders tap-only releases that I was hoping would make it to the Backstage Series.
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  4. jbck109

    jbck109 Aspirant (267) May 30, 2010 Michigan
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    $13 for a bomber of an IPA, Barrel aged or not, is not a reasonable price(IMO). I will try this on tap, but probably wont buy any for myself. I did enjoy looking glass though, so maybe I will be surprised. I have had other bourbon/whiskey barrel IPAs, and have not enjoyed them, so my personal expectations are low.
  5. MichaelinFishers

    MichaelinFishers Aspirant (204) Mar 10, 2009 Indiana

    I've never had Hand of Doom, although I did manage to get in first on the reviews of Looking Glass. But the closest I've had to Doom is Burton Baton and a couple of other oak-aged IPAs and DIPAs, never bourbon. Looking forward to this one a lot.
  6. steebo777

    steebo777 Zealot (511) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    I think this has been discussed a lot in the Doom thread under beer releases.

    Summed up: Most peeps want Black Biscuit or CBS, and complain about Doom.
    mjshearer1, CWBlues, MichPaul and 2 others like this.
  7. fastenoughforphish

    fastenoughforphish Aspirant (218) Nov 14, 2012 Illinois
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    My thoughts. Why are people complaining so much about its release in the Doom thread. Bah bunch of yuppies.
  8. Supergenious

    Supergenious Disciple (366) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Founders = overhyped
  9. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    Not a fan of this beer or Looking Glass. I think Double Trouble is a solid beer but it is not one of my favorites. The dirty hop character does not work for me, the barrels do not improve upon this IMO.

    I would definitely prefer Black Biscuit, hell I would prefer to see Black Rye again, but I am not upset by this release. I will probably let this one sit on the shelves, no real interest here.
  10. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    Like Boltcutter. Really bringing the heat lately. Likely two backstage release busts in a row, Kbs ticket debacle and a pathetic showing at all mbg events that aren't in GR
  11. Stevedore

    Stevedore Poo-Bah (3,569) Nov 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Not rushing out for this one
  12. FEUO

    FEUO Disciple (325) Jul 24, 2012 Ontario (Canada)

    This beer will suck.
    Lets keep talking it down, everyone.

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  13. sarcastro

    sarcastro Disciple (332) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan
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    It is already the biggest bust of all time and it hasn't even been released. Founders cant win unless they release CBS for every beer. Personally I like variety, but then again I don't care about trading anymore.
  14. osubuckeye99

    osubuckeye99 Initiate (66) Nov 7, 2009 Illinois
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    I am looking forward to this! The only Backstage Series beer I didn't care for was FMB, so Founders is still batting .1000 for BA beers for me.
  15. justyouraveragebeerguy

    justyouraveragebeerguy Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    No thoughts till I try it.
  16. TCgoalie

    TCgoalie Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Michigan

    Hand of Doom was rotten, tasted like bourbon barrel aged dirty socks.

    (Don't read this - it is awesome. If I trick you into thinking it is bad then more for me:slight_smile:
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  17. lotsaswigs

    lotsaswigs Initiate (35) Jan 24, 2006 Indiana

    you ≠ supergenious
  18. JulianC

    JulianC Aspirant (203) Mar 9, 2012 Illinois
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    Batting .1000 huh? 1 out of 10? :stuck_out_tongue:
  19. osubuckeye99

    osubuckeye99 Initiate (66) Nov 7, 2009 Illinois
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    Ha, nice catch.
  20. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (420) May 28, 2007 Michigan
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    Wait, what? The trend here is to say it sucks even though you have not tried it or actually read the good ratings it has got...
  21. CMUbrew

    CMUbrew Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Michigan

    I'm not overly enthused about this beer, but I'll probably pick up a bottle if I catch it on the shelf. I just don't think putting a beer in a barrel makes it more appealing or special. Founders is capable of doing some really awesome and unique stuff, but I kind of feel like this could have been a better or more interesting effort for such a highly anticipated series of beers. That being said, I may very well get some enoyment out of Doom. It doesn't sound that appealing to me, but I certainly won't jump the gun and say it sucks before having tried it. We are talking about Founders, after all. But I can see this one ending up like the last two and being a beer I would't want to drink again. More power to the people getting stoked about this one. I'll reserve my excitement for the next Backstage release.
  22. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (420) May 28, 2007 Michigan
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    You say your not judging it cause you have not tried it, yet you say they are capable of doing better and you can see this ending up like the last 2 backstage releases......HUH?
  23. Stevedore

    Stevedore Poo-Bah (3,569) Nov 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Throwing the beer in a barrel doesn't automatically make it a better beer but it usually has given it characteristics that usually I like- mainly affecting the mouthfeel/creaminess as well as contributing the underlying flavour of the barrel. It's not something I'd run someone over for though.
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  24. nickMB

    nickMB Disciple (310) Nov 17, 2009 Illinois

    Has it been on tap that much over the years that so many people have negative responses on it. I don't review beers because I don't value my own opinion but when I had it on KBS day 3 years ago I thought it was delicious. Am I really in the minority because from what few braincells I have left I remember liking it?
  25. steebo777

    steebo777 Zealot (511) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    No way man, this is an awesome beer! Haters just comin out of the woodwork because it isn't CBS or Black Biscuit.

    I love that people are complaining about the beer before having it and that it is $13. Rizing Bhines is a $15 IPA that has nothing special but I don't see as much hate about it in that thread.
  26. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (420) May 28, 2007 Michigan
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    Steebo is right on...The reviews of this are a 91, which is "exceptional"...Yet everyone is coming out saying it sucks or WILL suck and not having tried it...It just amazes me...
  27. SeanfromShorts

    SeanfromShorts Aspirant (277) Feb 9, 2009 Michigan

    I'm excited about Doom. IPA + Bourbon + Founders is alright by me.
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  28. fishtremble

    fishtremble Initiate (183) Jan 18, 2010 Michigan
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    Not an IPA man myself but trying to slowly get into that groove so this release is sort of a let down for me. Still if I luck into finding one on the shelf I would still buy it just to have the experience and always the hope that I may actually enjoy it. So far Kuhnenns DRIPA was amazing so have high hopes there are others to sway me.
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  29. mtrutlin

    mtrutlin Initiate (67) Apr 4, 2012 South Carolina
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    I understand this is a completely different beer, but Toppling Goliath just relesed Naughty Temple this week. If memory serves me right, it's a IPA aged in Templeton Rye Whiskey barrels for 14 months. I have to say, it was incredible.

    Like I said, I understand it's a completely different beer than Doom is, but I wasn't sure I was going to like a BA IPA just like a lot of people seem to be on here and I knew I was going to love it the second I smelled it. Didn't taste IPAish at all. Had some similarities to a barleywine, but was just so unique and so good.

    After having Naughty Temple, I'm much more optimistic about Doom.
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  30. youngac

    youngac Initiate (159) Jul 14, 2005 North Carolina

    Naughty Temple is a world class beer.

    Doom is delicious as well.
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  31. youngac

    youngac Initiate (159) Jul 14, 2005 North Carolina

    Hit a black party there someday and see if it doesn't completely change your mind (and blow your mind).
  32. CMUbrew

    CMUbrew Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Michigan

    Better as in they are just taking one of their yearly beers and putting it in a barrel. I know they could do something more creative like a totally new beer, or just something that isn't being done all the time like barrel aging. But, of course, they are the world-class brewers, not me. So I won't waste any further time complaining about what they are releasing and what they aren't. As far as ending up like the last two, I am only referring to my own evaluation of them according to my own palate. Doom will likely be something I'm glad I tried, but wouldn't seek out again, like I felt with the last two. This comes from how I generally feel about BBA beers, which is that I typically don't find them as superior or special as many people do, in general. And FMB just didn't meet my expectations (perhaps they were too high?) although it was a decent beer in its own right. I don't feel like I contradicted myself here pal.
  33. nickMB

    nickMB Disciple (310) Nov 17, 2009 Illinois

    "Better as in they are just taking one of their yearly beers and putting it in a barrel?????" I mean I know its double trouble but this BA version has been off/on tap over the last 3 years to my knowledge and people enjoyed it (and rated it kinda high). Also a BA version of an IPA is vastly different then the base as it takes on a more barleywine characteristic after hop fading for months and with the sweet bourbon it becomes a completely different beer. It was creative when they did it the first time a few years ago and I can't help but think the big response from ratings and people are why they are bottling it and distributing it. Try it first before you say it sucks or it lacks creativity
  34. CMUbrew

    CMUbrew Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Michigan

    Perhaps I just used creative for lack of a better term. I am just of the opinion that bourbon barrel aging is becoming more and more commonplace, and I would like to see breweries release some different things. More power to those that love this trend. And I certainly never said it sucks. In fact I have stated that I will probably find some qualities in Doom that I enjoy. I'm totally glad people have enjoyed and raved about this beer for however long Founders has been making it. It certainly takes skill to produce any beer, and certainly takes even more expertise to have it come out the other side of a barrel with desireable qualities. That being said, I am not a person that gets overly hyped about BBA beers. I am also not much of a barleywine fan. So it should be easy to see why I'm not enthused about this choice for Backstage release. This is my opinion based on what I like, and I am entitled to that opinion. I'm not hating on Founders in any way (big fan - MI pride) and I'm not hating on anyone who is stoked about this release. Everyone on both sides of this Doom debate should really live and let live.
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  35. danp14

    danp14 Initiate (0) Dec 12, 2011 Michigan

    FWIW, Doom is an Imperial IPA.... the point being made in the post you had quoted post was, it takes on barleywine characteristics as the hops begin to fade. Now, i know your not talking specifically Founders when you say "see breweries release some different things", but perhaps you could elaborate as to what you mean by different? As far as differentiateing themselves, a Bourbon IPA is pretty different than what most brewers/breweries are doing with their barrel programs (off the top of my head the only other BA IPA i can think of is BA Huma). Lastly, you being not much of a barleywine fan, perhaps you will love this fresh when it has all the juicy hops of Double Trouble? Personally i think the $13 bottle price would be worth it to try. But that's just like, my opinion. Man.
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  36. kzoobrew

    kzoobrew Initiate (0) May 8, 2006 Michigan

    This is absolutely true but for reasons people may not think. Before anyone takes issue with my statement please read on.

    My agreeing that Founders is overhyped is not an indictment on Founders it is an indictment on the unrealistic expectations that run rampant through out the beer community. Founders actually suffers from these expectations. Frangelic Mtn was a victim of unrealistic expectations, it tasted exactly the way it was described but people still complained. At this point if Founders brews a beer that does not cure cancer, increase your penis size (male or female) and allow you to run a 4.2 40 it is an utter failure in too many peoples minds.

    Founders is an excellent brewery, worthy to be mentioned along side the best. They do receive a little to much praise at times but that is coupled with far too much criticism as well.
  37. CMUbrew

    CMUbrew Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Michigan

    Hmm, that doesn't really look like my quote...Man.
  38. tommyz

    tommyz Devotee (420) May 28, 2007 Michigan
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    Well said......
  39. danp14

    danp14 Initiate (0) Dec 12, 2011 Michigan

    This is true. But i was only including the parts of your post i responded to. Per, you avatar. The rabbles are from south park.
  40. MichaelinFishers

    MichaelinFishers Aspirant (204) Mar 10, 2009 Indiana

    The whole point to the Backstage series has been to bottle previous tap-only favorites. Bolt Cutter was the only exception, because of their 15th anniversary.
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