Founders Frangelic Mtn Brown

Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by jegross2, Jun 27, 2012.

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  1. NSaad23

    NSaad23 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Michigan

    I paid $20 at a place in Rochester Hills. I've been going there pretty regularly since I moved to our Troy office and this was the first time i was able to be on a wait list for something there. I was annoyed at the price, but not having another option I bit the bullet and bought it. Sure it was about $5 more than I wanted to pay, oh well.
  2. mbockstruck30

    mbockstruck30 Disciple (325) Dec 31, 2010 Illinois
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    Still had all of this (except Stone Vanilla) when I ran by last night. Surprised they still had Fruet, and $2 cheaper than what I paid in Indy. Vas is usually a couple bucks higher than other places around, so this was a surprise. Also still have White Oak.
  3. jegross2

    jegross2 Meyvn (1,209) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois
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    And devil dancer and angry beast :wink:
  4. chanokokoro

    chanokokoro Champion (835) Jan 31, 2012 Illinois

    It would be more expensive to use real hazelnuts--exactly one of my point. Founders cut a corner here by using fake-tasting hazelnut coffee. Perhaps it was cost-prohibitive to use real hazelnuts for a large release like this, so they compromised the quality of the ingredients they usually use. In my opinion, there were better options: a more limited release, charge more to reflect the actually cost of producing the brew, or release another brew that you didn't have to make a compromise your usual standards. They have plenty that would have been better choices.

    Cognitive dissonance in action...

    Actually, I didn't notice the side of the label after a drank it and found it to be unpleasant...

    I know everyone's palates are different, but frankly even if you didn't pick up the unpleasant taste, whether it be from artifical flavoring or an artifical sweetner, this brew tastes like bad gas station hazelnut coffee--it doesn't even taste like good coffee complete with an unpleasant saccharine taste (for me). It's got me questioning quite a few palates or again I'll just chalk it up to that fact that Founders can release anything liquid on a limited basis and it's going to get a 90 rating on BA minimum.
  5. CWBlues

    CWBlues Aspirant (258) May 4, 2011 Indiana
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    My palate is just fine, thank you, and I enjoyed this beer very much.
  6. Jerome1929

    Jerome1929 Initiate (61) Sep 11, 2008 Michigan

    I question anyone who takes up a vendetta against a beer/brewery because they "cut corners" and lowered themselves below your standards by using artificial ingredients when you say you will continue to buy their beers. Then when suggested by another BA to stop buying Founders, you call them "extremely unoriginal". Do you think you are the first person to not like a hyped beer then make a thread/rant bashing it?
  7. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Get a new beer guy.
  8. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Not surprising that a Michigan fan would make a decision like that.... Overpaying for a mediocre product... just like your football tickets =P

    (All in good fun... born and raised in Columbus)
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  9. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Frangelic mountain brown was pretty good. Do any of you know how difficult it would be to get actual hazelnut flavor into a beer without insane complications/astronomical cost? The beer tastes good, is EXTREMELY affordable as far as founders goes, and isn't lying to you on the label.. Are you people really this arrogant? Get over yourself.
  10. Mantooth

    Mantooth Meyvn (1,191) Dec 6, 2011 North Carolina
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    You're out to make some new friends, aren't you Yogi?
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  11. szmnnl99

    szmnnl99 Crusader (710) Apr 3, 2006 Michigan
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    I wish I had better options on my return commute but I'm going to frequent a few other places more.
  12. chanokokoro

    chanokokoro Champion (835) Jan 31, 2012 Illinois

    No, I don't have a vendetta against Founders and there is a difference between healthy debate and a rant. I heavily support them and will continue. I'm just able to separate myself from that fact that nearly every brew Founders has bottled up until this point is exceptional, and that goes for their year-round stuff as well as their seasonal and special releases, and am able honestly critique this brew for what is. I actually wasn't the first to describe the taste of FMB as bad gas station hazelnut coffee--another BA did--(I'll add artificially sweetened bad gas station hazelnut coffee), however its the most accurate description I've heard. I am confident that another brewery that didn't have Founders well-deserved reputation released this mess as a reoccurring release it would be lucky to be at an 80 in the ratings.
    As I stated before it's a perfect example of cognitive dissonance. If you aren't familiar you should be able to find a definition quite easily.

    As far as questioning palates, I went a bit overboard and respectfully retract that comment. Sorry, if I personally offended anyone including you, MordorMongo.
  13. bpgpitt10

    bpgpitt10 Aspirant (287) May 12, 2008 District of Columbia
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    I thought it was pretty tasty. It's not the most complex beer, but I found it to be super, super drinkable. I wouldn't believe it was 9% if I hadn't downed the whole thing to find out myself. That's pretty impressive in a brown ale. It reminded me a lot of Panera's Hazelnut coffee which I happen to like on some random occasions when I want a flavored coffee. I tend to get lots of "artificial" flavors with coffee beers. Even some of the best. However, I didn't feel like this one screamed artificial flavoring to me. To each their own.

    Also, I like Founders but I am sort of all over the map on their stuff. I don't really like FBS, but I love KBS. I thought CBS and CBH were both ok but nothing special, but I love backwoods bastard. This falls more into being one I'd consider buying again.
  14. BoneyardBrewer

    BoneyardBrewer Initiate (105) Apr 24, 2005 Michigan

    Some stores suck. We only received 12 bottles and sold them for $12.99 which was regular mark-up.
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  15. Mantooth

    Mantooth Meyvn (1,191) Dec 6, 2011 North Carolina
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    Is it the best of their Backstage Series? No. But that doesn't mean it's not a damn good beer. I didn't get any of the "fake" flavors from the bottle I downed last night. The nose was amazing. I got up this morning and my kitchen still smelled faintly of coffee from the empty bottle on my bar. I also didn't find it to be too sweet. It's pretty damn hard (for me at least) to get overly excited by a brown ale but this one is pretty unique. The alcohol was masked very well, I could only get a slight tinge of the booze in the finish as the beer warmed. In Charlotte they're going for less than $15 a pop and I'll likely pick up one or two more on my way home today, if supply holds out at my honey hole.
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  16. comte70

    comte70 Initiate (121) Sep 23, 2008 Illinois

    FMB is in the house at Binnys in Lakeview along with Devil Dancer.
  17. loki993

    loki993 Initiate (180) Apr 16, 2009 Michigan


    I have a pretty good idea of where that is. If its where I'm thinking funny thing was when they put me on the list I was told it would probably be 30, Needless to say after I got what I needed from other more reasonable places I cancelled my spot. Its a place I frequent pretty regular too I must admit I was surprised that they were marking it up like that, its not something Id noticed them doing before.
  18. iceatalamo

    iceatalamo Initiate (183) Dec 13, 2011 Michigan
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    They probably told you $30 because that is what they charged for CBS and then continued to sell Better Half at that price as well. I passed on the Better Half. That place in notorious for overcharging, but has a pretty good overall selection.

    Drinking a FMB right now and it is damn tasty again, screw those who keep talking about the "fake" hazelnut taste that they detect. If you don't want it, BM me and I'll give you my address to ship it to.
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  19. NSaad23

    NSaad23 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Michigan

    I will be driving through Grand Rapids tomorrow evening, does anyone know if they still have FMB in bottles? I noticed it's not on Tap as of Yesterday.
  20. steebo777

    steebo777 Zealot (511) Jun 30, 2009 Michigan

    Not on tap, but as of yesterday there were still bottles in the Tap Room.
  21. NSaad23

    NSaad23 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Michigan

    Thanks, I appreciate the info.
  22. pk18

    pk18 Aspirant (252) Jun 12, 2012 Wisconsin
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    I finally tracked down bottles of FMB yesterday at a place in South Eastern Wisconsin. My excitement faded when I asked how much a bottle was.....$30! I did not take the bait on that one. I'm going in this morning/afternoon to try and talk the owner down to something more reasonable. We'll see what happens.
  23. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    How dare it not be as good as CBS and pull wAlez in trade!!!
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  24. stephenieman

    stephenieman Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2011 Illinois

  25. gustogasmic

    gustogasmic Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2012 Michigan
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  26. MC6

    MC6 Initiate (150) Dec 12, 2008 Illinois
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    2 bottles per person limit. Probably 50 or so bottles in the cooler as of Wednesday night.
  27. asmokingoat

    asmokingoat Initiate (21) Jul 10, 2006 Wisconsin

    Picked a bottle up at Woodman's West in Madison, WI tonight 12.99
  28. pk18

    pk18 Aspirant (252) Jun 12, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Does anyone know of any bottles of FMB still around the Milwaukee or Green Bay Area? There are bottles in my local bottle shop in Sheboygan, but the guy wants $30 for a bottle.
  29. RayLove

    RayLove Initiate (0) May 1, 2008 Illinois

    A few bottles left at Cardinal Liquors on Roosevelt in Forest Park, 14.99
  30. Czar_chasm

    Czar_chasm Aspirant (240) Jun 20, 2012 Michigan
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    royal oak liquor store?
  31. Czar_chasm

    Czar_chasm Aspirant (240) Jun 20, 2012 Michigan
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    amoris market on John R in madison heights had a few bottles @ 15 / piece if people are still looking
  32. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Poo-Bah (1,506) Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    Also got mine at Woodman's for the same price. My eyes nearly fell out of my head when I saw how many there were and the price. Wish it was so easy for the other members of the Backstage Pass Series.
  33. JohnnyHopps

    JohnnyHopps Poo-Bah (1,506) Jun 15, 2010 Indiana
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    Got mine at the Woodman's in Green bay on Tuesday.
  34. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    That would be them.. The two younger guys are nice there, I think the other guy perhaps the father sets the prices and when talking about CBS back in the day, he was just bummed he didnt get any to price gouge which I found obnoxious.

    I guess Karma for their prices is the bonehead decision to order seven cases of Short's Nicie Spicey. That will sit on the shelves for a year based on their traffic and price.
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  35. Mattmc1973

    Mattmc1973 Initiate (171) Jun 4, 2008 Michigan
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    Stopped by Founders today on way home from Holland, tons of Frangelic Mtn Brown in the cooler there still. Probably helps that they are limiting to 2, so no one cleans them out.
  36. Czar_chasm

    Czar_chasm Aspirant (240) Jun 20, 2012 Michigan
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    After I picked up a bottle from holiday I stopped through to see if I could get a bottle. He told me it was going to be 30 or 35. I told him there's no way. He got on the phone and then said he couldn't do anything lower than 20. I offered 15 and he still said 20 was the lowest so I ended up walking too. I won't be giving them anymore business. There are plenty of smaller liquor stores in the area that run through the same distributors that will charge reasonable markup (still more than holiday but just a couple dollars more)
  37. Steimie

    Steimie Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2012 Michigan

    Go check out the place on 10 1/2 mile and John R. referenced above. They had at least 15 bottles on the shelf yet today. Nice guy, too.
  38. Czar_chasm

    Czar_chasm Aspirant (240) Jun 20, 2012 Michigan
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    Thanks for the shipper today. Enjoy the wheat wine.

    I agree, the guys that run Amoris are nice guys for sure. They made sure that they followed through on getting some FMB after I let them know about it, called me when it came in, and didn't put it on shelves until I had a crack at all that I wanted to get. Even though the markup was more than my regular stops it really blew me away how nice they were throughout the process. If other places are out I'll definitely be hitting them up in the future!
  39. BeRanger

    BeRanger Devotee (433) Dec 11, 2011 Michigan
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    What's the price over there?
  40. Czar_chasm

    Czar_chasm Aspirant (240) Jun 20, 2012 Michigan
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    $15 / bottle
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