Maybe it’s better suited in the Eisbock category? I hear ya, and you’re not wrong. But I also understand where @Providence is coming from, that’s all. There’s statistical evidence showing ABV’s have trended upwards over the years. And to be fair, I am going to seek a single or two of the Ultimate Oktoberfest out, and I also had a bourbon barrel aged Oktoberfest at Sam Adams last year too. So it’s not as if I completely abstain and object to beers like this.