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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by JamesShoemaker, Jan 29, 2013.
I love creme brulee
My first and only drain pour from Founders. That beer was a mess...
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This alone would have led me to buy it, bad reviews aside.
I can now sleep in peace. Restless days be gone. Thank you.
Let me add on to my last statement. It's not barrel aged therefor will not become a whale therefor won't get you Cantillons.
I bought it at my local bottle shop, not knowing anything about it at the time other than I really liked Founder's Double Trouble and Breakfast Stout, I like coffee beers, I like hazelnuts, and it was about $15 a bottle. I wasn't expecting to be blown away, but I definitely wasn't expecting to hate it, and man was it gross to my palate. I got through most of the bomber, but I really wanted to drain pour it after a few sips (I had never drain poured a beer before, the only one I have since was Pumking).
That said, I've liked or loved everything I've had from founders since (I could take or leave Centennial and Cerise), but I really think that beer was a huge misstep and an insult to the consumer at the price point.
Pretty nice beer and definitely unique
It just seems odd to me that someone could dislike a beer like FMB because it tastes "artificial" while simultaneously liking creme brulee. Creme brulee seriously tastes like store-bought vanilla icing. Personally, I don't hate it, but I do recognize that store-bought vanilla icing tastes incredibly artificial.
I enjoyed it but would not buy it again at $14/bottle.
I enjoy it, but its nothing spectacular. I guess that artificial taste gets to me. I enjoy hazelnut coffee, so I thought I would like this a lot more. My buddy loves it, so I bring a bottle when I head over there. I bought a case when released, so I still have about 6 left.
If FMB was $7/bottle, it MIGHT warrant a revisit...
just to confirm I thought it was was bad.
When you are a world class brewery and you create a special limited release Baskstage Series brand and charge premium prices, people are expecting a home run. I think people were expecting an amazing coffee concoction along the lines of FBS which is world class. I was expecting Founders to hit another coffee home run with this and instead I got a bunt.
No hate here...just underwhelmed.
When you're one of the best regional brewers in the world and you come out with a series of limited release beers that have all been received extremely well along with a list of brewpub only beers that lots of people want to see released and you brew one beer that is relatively not as good and quite polarizing, you are going to receive a lot of hate.
Fresh, I thought it was pretty tasty. Drank a second bottle I hadn't gotten around to until a month ago. Coffee taste had fallen off big time, and it was boozier tasting. Quick question to anyone; if anyone has cracked open their CBS recently, how has it held up? I'm imagining being a big stout it should be fine, but I'm banking on the coffee fading a little.
On a side note, thank you for the extra bottle you gave me that I enjoyed very much.
That's the great thing about beer, not everyone likes the sames things, and sometimes you can benefit from that.
I didn't like it because the hazelnut was overpowering. I am a Founders fan boy and always will be, but FMB was mediocre.
Flavor fell off big time from fresh in June til i drank my second one in December. Not bad, but not as tasty as it was fresh. Then again, if you drank your first one in November, you prolly already experience what I did in December
at the tap and mallet event? It was delicious on nitro there. I ordered 2 of them and I didn't love the bottle I had.
It's the best hazelnut coffee brown ale I've ever had.
For those of you cellaring FMB, I've actually heard Founders themselves say that that's not a good idea, as the hazelnut flavor is the first thing to go.
Personally, I think that would improve the beer. My problem with it was that it was completely one-dimensional ...
True. I didn't have it as fresh as possible by any means, but I thought there was a good amount of hazelnut still in there lol. Looking forward to seeing how it ages with that, aging a brown though? Never really thought I would be doing that, but its all fun for me! Like I said not worth the $ IMO, but it was a fun beer to try. Just most likely not going to buy 2 of the next backstage release unless they bring something to up the bar. Cheers!
It wasn't a terrible beer, but let's put it this way - if it wasn't made by Founders you never would have even heard about it. Just nothing at all remarkable about the beer.
A fantastic beer that A.) is Overpriced B.) Not nearly as fantastic or complex as the other Backstage releases C.) Says artificial on the side D.) Is really fuckin' hazelnutty.
All 4 of those things have garnered hate but I maintain my opinion that FMB is an awesome beer.
Or they just didn't like the taste of it.....
To the OP: Count me in as one of the folks that didn't like. I love a nice coffee beer, but the hazelnut flavor was too much. Artificial, organic, didn't matter, there was too much of it.
I like Coffee Mate hazelnut coffee creamer in my coffee... just not in my beer. I think they captured the flavor 100% exactly right... I just don't like it.
I also think there is a difference between making a bad beer, and a beer that you just don't like the flavor of... and I feel like this is the latter.
I did try this once, paired with chocolate cake and it was much better then, than when I had it on its own. That said, it's still not a flavor I like in beer.
Completely the opposite of Rogue's Voodoo Doughnut, which was poorly executed and was just done wrong.
I was trying to think if maybe I just don't like the combo of hazelnut and coffee but then I remembered this beer, truly amazing. I think it comes down to (aside from a great base beer) adding quality coffee and quality hazelnut.
End of thread.
Well, at least read down to this one anyway.
I liked it a lot. I got 2 bottles from a friend, drank 1, and will soon drink the other. If any of you folks that didnt like it still have a bottle, feel free to send it my way - I'll drain pour it into my mouth drain for you.
Wouldn't cellaring just make it zero-dimensional then?
ba's aging flowchart:
if the beer isn't good -> cellar it, it will become good
if the beer is good -> cellar it, it will become great
if the beer is aged and isn't doing well -> tell everyone it's doing well, and trade it
Another problem may be that people think "hazelnut coffee" is a real thing. And it's not.
I didn't think you could improve your avatar over the previous Trey version, but the new one did it!
If it DID taste like hazelnut FBS, then I think people would have been off-the-chain for it. You seem to be someone who did think so. I, on the other hand, didn't get that at all....and it was because the hazelnut taste was not deep, authentic and yummy IMO (didn't know what the label said, I buy it for the beer not the articles). If the flavor was good, I think it would have been a good beer but not what I really wanted although I could have judged it accordingly. What I really would have liked was FBS or a Hazelnutty IS....but I'm a big boy and can judge it for what it was.
IMHO, it was not Founders-quality product...I expect more from one of the top handful of craft brewers out there in their limited release series.
I'll go one step further: If it wasn't brewed by Founders, it wouldn't even get half the responses defending it. If it was Rogue, for instance, it would be more than fashionable to hate on it.
It was not meant to be a compliment. I no longer think of FBS as a premium stout. At one point I though it was the best stout I had ever had, but either my tastes changed or the beer changed. I don't find it to be all that deep or yummy anymore as I actually find it to taste somewhat thin and artificial. I buy a four pack or so a year and it isn't a bad beer, just not anything mind blowing or spectacular. I'd pay $10 for a four pack of FMB, but not the $20 per bottle ever again.