GABF 2013: Which brewers got locked out?

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  1. rmdownward

    rmdownward Aspirant (294) Feb 10, 2007 California

    If I recall correctly, not having a booth does not mean you can't enter the competition. I recall several medal winners that did not have a physical presence at GABF. Personally, I am of the crowd that thinks previous years winners should get first crack at registering, that and limiting booths by chains.
  2. Ratman197

    Ratman197 Devotee (429) Aug 11, 2007 Colorado

    I was'nt refering to glitches, problems with servers etc... I was meaning people that lose out on entries or tickets because they did'nt get on at the right exact time. Only so many spaces and a lot more people.
  3. Ratman197

    Ratman197 Devotee (429) Aug 11, 2007 Colorado

    I understand what you are saying but you should see the behind the scenes logistics involved. I've been "tearing down GABF for about 13 years as a volunteer. I got promoted to Assistant Teardown Coordinator 3 years ago (still volunteer). It takes around 6 days to set up and we teardown and clean beer lines in a day. We have already had 6- 3 hour sessions working on and cleaning and building beer stands and probably have around 4 more to go before GABF. Not saying more expansion is not doable, but it takes time it has been growing almost every year.
  4. JonathanL7890

    JonathanL7890 Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2007 Texas
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    NXNW and Flix Brewhouse in Austin didn't get in. They both had pro-am beers and NXNW is a previous medal winner.
  5. SalukiAlum

    SalukiAlum Disciple (332) Dec 19, 2010 Colorado
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    Sun King won a bunch of medals.
  6. Giggles

    Giggles Initiate (0) Jul 17, 2013

    Alpine Beer Company didn't get in either. Alpine's my favorite, and Societe's close second, bummer.
  7. ArrogantB

    ArrogantB Poo-Bah (3,126) Jun 9, 2006 Colorado
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    Well goddamn., no Alpine?

    I can't call it.
  8. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Poo-Bah (3,448) May 19, 2005 Colorado

    I poured for Alpine 2 years ago and didn't understand why they even bothered showing up. 2 beers, no info, no rep.
  9. dauss

    dauss Defender (660) Aug 9, 2003 Colorado
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    There were some changes last year to accommodate more breweries for the judging portion like limiting the amount of entries per location and company.

    I think the problem with having regional competitions is that there aren't enough qualified judges, volunteer stewards and behind the scenes coordinators to have a proper event. It's already a stretch to have industry folk from all over the world to spend nearly a week away from their operations for the judging and the festival, on top of other events like SAVOR and the Craft Brewers Conference, plus numerous local beer festivals and other events they may participate in throughout the year.
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  10. DougOLis

    DougOLis Initiate (185) Aug 15, 2008 California

    Last year they brought Bad Boy, Duet and FiringSquad to the floor
  11. SalukiAlum

    SalukiAlum Disciple (332) Dec 19, 2010 Colorado
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    If I recall correctly they ran out of beer too???
  12. taalhiker

    taalhiker Initiate (121) Aug 26, 2008 Ohio

    But at least Nelson was one of the two beers. The second beer was Ugly, a black IPA - good but not as good as Duet, Pure Hoppiness, Exponential or Bad Boy.
  13. joshclauss

    joshclauss Aspirant (243) Oct 31, 2010 Colorado
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    I constantly hear about the quality judge scarcity problem, which is why I'm surprised I'm seeing so many brewmasters calling for this solution. Breweries already complain enough about judging, *especially* when you're a rung down from GABF, so is it a better situation to have brewers complaining that their judging in the regional round was the problem? By its very nature, judging is inherently unreliable, but I've heard second hand accounts of judges just clearly missing the boat on style guidelines, inserting their own interpretation of what a style is "today," and influencing their palate and/or sense of smell while AT the judging. There is complaining about GABF, too, but it doesn't sound nearly as messy as I've heard other events getting.
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  14. Twal

    Twal Disciple (393) Sep 20, 2010 Colorado

    I have had the exact same thoughts regarding the regional comps although this also leaves room for disparity as well...
    I was thinking medal placing beers have 1st shot at re-entry,obviously you need the large breweries because of the cash they pump into the system and then leave it to regionals or some other form.
    I think moving fwd there will be change,same applies to NHC and the sheer volume of entries/participants this year as opposed to the last few.
    The fact that Crooked stave and Thai me up failed entry (IMO) leaves a couple of medal contenders out of the race,2x4 is easily a contender for medal (Gold)...
    That being said anyone know if La Cumbre Made it in ?
    I also agree about the amount of shit beers available,in fact that is my biggest concern regarding the news of so many quality brewers being shut out,it just degrades the overall quality of the festival.
    The last thing needed is a line at a dozen quality breweries that get in (Think Dogfish head) and the rest are there for the use of a dump bucket...
  15. Twal

    Twal Disciple (393) Sep 20, 2010 Colorado

    They almost all do by Sat. even for the Afternoon sesion...
  16. SalukiAlum

    SalukiAlum Disciple (332) Dec 19, 2010 Colorado
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    Yeah, I'm thinking about passing this year because of all the 'shit beers' that will be there! The festival is definitely degrading as well :slight_smile: And yes, please more Dogfish Head!!! La Cumbre has one great beer. Don't go if it's not your thing, Falling Rock and all the other great breweries and bars in the state have awesome events going on all week, I mean if you can't find enough solid breweries and beers to satisfy your 3-4 hours there's something wrong. (reminds me of March Madness)
  17. Twal

    Twal Disciple (393) Sep 20, 2010 Colorado

    What (people) don't realize is the contribution made by AB to the GABF (and I'm not talking about InBev beer donations). Without going into details the AB plays a major role in the festival,lets just say w/out them (right now) there would be no festival...
  18. Twal

    Twal Disciple (393) Sep 20, 2010 Colorado

    DFH Comment was to the fact that we don't need huge lines at the few good breweries that get in,there are a lot of breweries there that are just not all that good.
    My (comment) on La Cumbre is a question that's all,I've only had one of their beers and would be interested in seeing what else they offer.
    If you read the thread you would see that the "shit beers" comment came from another comment on the previous page that I quoted...
    I have access to all sessions and don't need to attend the 4 hour frat party to search out one or two "great beers",it would be nice to know I or any attendee going can stroll up to the majority of tables and find a solid brew rather than to sit in long lines for something.
    I'm not saying that there is going to row after row of beer suitable for dumping only but if the event is a free for all and anyone w/ cash to use this as an advertisement gets in and better breweries get shut out then Yes,it does degrade the overall quality of the festival.
  19. Prospero

    Prospero Savant (944) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    Yea, the festival is TOTALLY DEGRADING!!! :confused::rolling_eyes::astonished:

    There are more than one or two, or even just a "few" good beers. GABF proves always worth it. I mean I don't even talk to anyone but the servers and brewmasters and people I came with, so why does it matter if there are other people there just to drink beer?

    My list from last year:
  20. kunstdrache

    kunstdrache Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2006 Texas

    Awesome list, some overlapping with mine. I agree that there are always some great gems to find at GABF, Southampton Black Raspberry lambic was my jewel of the night- I must have gotten 15 glasses of that until the keg popped and there was almost no line for it. Here's my list from last year-

    (512) Whiskey Barrel Aged Double Pecan Porter
    Allagash Coolship Resurgam
    Austin Beerworks Einhorn
    Avery Odio Equum
    Avery Oud Floris
    Bend Ching-Ching
    Brooklyn Fiat Lux
    Central Waters BB Barleywine
    choc Gose
    Crabtree Berliner Weisse
    Crabtree Raspberry Berliner Weisse
    Crooked Stave Peitie Sour
    Dark Horse BB Pt5
    DESTIHL Saint Dekkera Reserve Flanders
    DESTIHL Saint Dekkera Reserve Framboise
    DESTIHL Saint Dekkera Reserve Gose
    DESTIHL Saint Dekkera Reserve Sour Apricot Ale
    DESTIHL Saint Dekkera Reserve Sour Hawaii Ale
    DESTIHL Saint Dekkera Reserve Sour Strawberry Ale
    Drake’s Scorched Earth
    FiftyFifty Totality Imperial Stout
    Foothills Sexual Chocolate
    Founders KBS
    Freetail Ananke
    Freetail El Porto Gallito
    Freetail Fortuna Roja
    Freetail Raspberry Ananke
    Funkwerks Deceit
    Goose Island Brewpub xocolatl
    Jester King Das Uberkind Vieille Saison
    Karbach BB Hellfighter
    Kona Lemongrass Ginger Luau
    New Belgium Love Felix
    New Glarus Raspberry Tart
    New Glarus Enigma
    NXNW Barton Kriek
    O’Dell’s Woodcut #6
    Oskar Blues Whiskey Barrell aged Ten-FIDY
    Pizza Port Bacon and Eggs (coffee porter)
    Real Ale 15
    Rivertown Lambic
    Rivertown Ojos Negros
    Rivertown Sour Cherry Porter
    Russian River Framboise for a Cure
    Russian River T25
    Short’s Peaches n Crème
    Southhamptom Publick House Black Raspberry Lambic
    Strange Brewing Cherry Kriek
    Surly Coffee Bender
    The Bruery Black Tuesday
    The Bruery Hottenroth
    The Bruery Sans Pagaie
    The Bruery Smoking Wood
    The Lost Abbey Framboise de Amorosa
    The Lost Abbey Track #7
    Weyerbacher Sour Black

    Wish I had got a chance to try…

    Crooked Stave Persica
    Deschute’s Plum Line
    Drake’s House Sour (Sat. only)
    Fish Reel Ales Belgian Sour
    Marble Cuvee D'Abricot
    Olde Hickory Event Horizon
  21. Twal

    Twal Disciple (393) Sep 20, 2010 Colorado

    You really need to learn to take things in The context in which they are written,not reassemble what someone writes so you can point fingers.
    As I said, if the majority of beers that get in are mediocre at best and there are many award winning breweries that are shut out then yes,it does degrade the overall quality of the festival.
    I'm sure you can find a great beer regardless but personally (and this will apply to many) if the beer is only better than the resr of the other mediocre beers the beer still isn't the best of its style only the best of the beers available.
    personally,I want to be able to have the opportunity to drink great beer,not run of the mill,session beers o wouldn't consider buying if given the opportunity.
    The servers rarely know what they are pouring unless they are from the brewery and often times the are not that friendly.
  22. Prospero

    Prospero Savant (944) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
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    Not pointing fingers, I was just being facetious and a little devil's advocate. I'm merely pointing out the flip side. While there are a lot more mediocre beers, there's also a lot more sours and world-class beers being poured. Overall so long as there are more great beers than mediocre beers (that I get to taste, not overall I understand), I call the event a success. And based on the last couple years, it's actually been getting better (aside from the bigger crowd and increased difficulty getting tickets). But to each their own.

    And are there equally as awesome beers being poured around town? Absolutely. It just takes a lot of time and money to bar hop over the 2-3 days to get them all, but can be done, and a lot of times can be more enjoyable for those who don't like crowds. I just remember the CCB Brandy Huna fiasco though, and I gotta be honest it sounded like the same problems of GABF, in terms of crowds, running out, etc.

    If you're just browsing and hopping around, yes, you have a high likely-hood of that happening. If you go into GABF with the beer list and which one's you want to try, it's pretty phenomenal.
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  23. merc7186

    merc7186 Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2010 New York

    I have two pennies, is that enough for entrance into the thread?

    As a first timer last year, I thought the festival was phenomenal. Here was my impression of the sessions...Thursday Night is for the out of towners, Friday Night is for the locals and college kids, Saturday Afternoon was for the Beer Nerds and whatever was left over for saturday night was for whoever was still standing.

    We got to Denver a couple of days early and noticed that almost every brewery had their best face on and was pouring great beers, including one offs and retired beers. If you bounce around and do enough research, you can find really great beers with minimal effort or hassle (unlike Falling Rock and CCB Huna, which was purchased by the guys from CCB :confused:).

    I really really really wish I had some sort of account of the beers that I had knocked back because it would be a pretty diverse list. While there were some pretty small time breweries there just taking up space, I also did find other small time breweries that were serving up great beers (ie. Mustang Brewing from OKC and Spring House Brewing in PA) that I never would have heard of or sought just happened to be one of those thing when you are passing by a section, noticed your cup is empty and stepped into a line.

    When it came to the big beers that everyone wanted, thankfully I did not waste any time trying to that DFH Oyster beer...or whatever the hell it was but instead snagged several pulls of T25 and the Lost Abbey Box Set beers.

    This year, I am coming back for a more limited time and with a first timer...if he wants to be a kid in the candy store, then I will gladly do it. But to say that you can't find a great beer because of all the little places is absurd.
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  24. SalukiAlum

    SalukiAlum Disciple (332) Dec 19, 2010 Colorado
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    Get over the 'who wins awards' thing and 'mediocre' breweries, who are you to judge? Something like 500 breweries from across the nation, first come, first serve. Real simple, nothing in life is 'fair'. Doesn't really make or break a brewery or the festival. Sorry, but don't get your logic. Regardless it will still sell out in less than 24 hours. Cheers
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  25. Mebuzzard

    Mebuzzard Poo-Bah (3,448) May 19, 2005 Colorado

    For me, GABF isn't focused on finding those awesome beers (although that's a part of it), but finding something new, from a brewery I've never heard of, or from a part of the country that I will not visit for some time...if ever. I think it would be close to pointless to have all, or even most, of the beers poured be "great". From my experience pouring there for 8 years, most attendees wouldn't no great from garbage. Thankfully, there are great beers....and those usually have lines...the fun part is finding great ones with no line.
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  26. merc7186

    merc7186 Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2010 New York

    What he said.......Down with 'Everybody gets a trophy day!'...:wink:
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  27. scray24

    scray24 Aspirant (227) Mar 12, 2008 Colorado
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  28. XmnwildX12

    XmnwildX12 Meyvn (1,430) Nov 12, 2010 Minnesota
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    Hopefully there will be no death threats, like last time while waiting for Black Tuesday... that was interesting!
  29. kunstdrache

    kunstdrache Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2006 Texas

    BT brings the worse beer geeks out of the wormwood. Two years ago there was a shithead who stood in front of the line, holding everyone up, knocking back glasses and glasses of BT. He finally left after enough people in the line were screaming expletives at him. I think he got away with 6-7 pours.
  30. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Disciple (340) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado

    does anybody else sort of not give a shit? I started going to this thing when it was at the Merchandise Mart, and I have just sort of lost interest the last few years. Part--most-- of it is my own failing--I just cannot decide if I like a beer or not in 1 1/2 oz like, evidently, everybody else in the world can.

    Yeah but how do you get to taste beers not distributed here? 1. Travel 2. Beer Advocate trading.

    Don't point out they don't need my admission $$; I can see that that is so and has been for about a decade. Cheers to all who still dig it, I envy you!
  31. SalukiAlum

    SalukiAlum Disciple (332) Dec 19, 2010 Colorado
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    I still dig it, but wouldn't loose sleep if I couldn't get tickets! You say 1 1/2 oz. pours? Last year I just kept returning to the Minneapolis Town Hall table as there was no line, knocking back some Russian Roulette and Three Hour Tour pours (same with FiftyFifty)! Boy that was great, better not give out my secrets. But don't need to always line up in the long lines, that's overrated!
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  32. DenverBeerDrinker

    DenverBeerDrinker Aspirant (258) Apr 5, 2012 Colorado
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    That Russian Roulette was one of my favorite from GABF last year
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  33. SalukiAlum

    SalukiAlum Disciple (332) Dec 19, 2010 Colorado
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    Keep that between you and me :wink:
  34. XmnwildX12

    XmnwildX12 Meyvn (1,430) Nov 12, 2010 Minnesota
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    I did the same and I live there... haha
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  35. Twal

    Twal Disciple (393) Sep 20, 2010 Colorado

    Who am I to Judge? Who are you to tell others the way the should enjoy the festival?
    Maybe you should look at what the festival is,and that is the largest (beer judging) competition in the United States.
    Sure you can go there to drink beer and try new breweries but many people are there to enter the competition. If the festival comes down to the fact that the breweries winning gold medals are only better than the other breweries that got in and countless very good breweries are shut out then yes it does effect the festival.
    It's really not that difficult to understand.
  36. DenverBeerDrinker

    DenverBeerDrinker Aspirant (258) Apr 5, 2012 Colorado
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    Can't a brewery submit beers to be judged without having beer being poured in the main hall? I thought that was the case. If so then the only limit to winning a medal is actually submitting the beer. If a brewery chooses to not submit beer to be judged because they didn't get a table to pour their beers at then that's on them not the festival.
  37. Twal

    Twal Disciple (393) Sep 20, 2010 Colorado

    Enough w/ the bickering really.The festival will be great regardless of who gets in.
    My point from the beginning was only this (and it was not focused on this years events but over time),If really good breweries and previous award winning breweries that consistently please are shut out from the festival it really is a losing situation for everyone.
    The thread initiated w/ a question as to how in the future the festival can be run so that it is not a free for all to get in,moving forward (it was suggested) maybe there should be regional events for entry ,much like the NHC...
    There are many breweries I never heard every time I attend GABF that are great surprise finds and that is going to happen every year regardless,but I know there are some other great (small) breweries out there (some I know that did not get in this year) that would have been a great addition.
    I think if you have a beer that has won other medals and is potentially a gold medal winner,they should have a little better chance in the lottery than the guy from the middle of nowhere that has a beer in there just because it's good advertising (and really not all that good).
  38. b0rderman

    b0rderman Initiate (0) May 18, 2010 Colorado

    Every year, GABF bitching starts earlier and earlier. I know that correlation ≠ causation...but man, these pumpkin beer release dates have got to have SOMETHING to do with it.
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  39. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (4,626) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
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  40. DonSaleen747

    DonSaleen747 Initiate (100) Oct 2, 2009 Connecticut
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    I know I have seen an excel file in the past (not for GABF) of all the breweries, beers, ratings, ect - if anyone has the ability to create something like that again can you please share it? I would even put it together if I had an idea on where to start
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