Gauging fair trades

Discussion in 'Beer Trading Talk' started by wjgeese, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. wjgeese

    wjgeese Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Waiting for my 30 day blackout period to expire before I can start trading here. Question, is there any resource here on BA to get a good idea of fair trades. For example I have beer X and I want beer Y, how do I know how much (trade value) mine is worth? Don't want to start off on the wrong foot here. And, don't want to short-change myself either!
  2. LambicKing

    LambicKing Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Germany

    Read. And read some more. Lurk in the trading forum. Time and observation are your friends - cannot stress this enough. If all else fails, ask a vet or two for advice.

    Side note - don't be too concerned about what X or Y beer is worth (within reason). If you and the distant end are happy with a trade proposal, that's all that matters.
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  3. M1A2

    M1A2 Initiate (191) Jan 15, 2012 Ohio
    Beer Trader

    ^^^^ This.
  4. drperry11

    drperry11 Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 South Carolina

    People often get flamed for creating threads titled "what can beer x land?" It's perceived that you are just trying to win trades and not land beers you want or will drink.
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  5. davey101

    davey101 Meyvn (1,080) Apr 14, 2009 Connecticut
    Beer Trader

    Spot. On! Also, don't jump in balls to the wall and start piling up trades. People get overwhelmed quickly. Start off small with locals for locals to build a solid trade repuatation and work your way up to the limited stuff. By that time you should have a good idea of how beers trade and the values we place on beers. Just because someone puts up an ISO X: FT Y does not mean it got done, meaning that X may not equal Y. The most important bit: Its a hobby, not a game.
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  6. DaveHack

    DaveHack Champion (803) Mar 28, 2011 Pennsylvania
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    It's sooooo easy. When both people are happy! :)
  7. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

  8. ColdPoncho

    ColdPoncho Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2009 Ohio

    The way I see it, there are several categories. Numbering is not necessarily relevant.
    1. Year-round shelf beers. People are not usually too interested in trading these.
    2. Seasonal shelf beers. Some people get excited (Hopslam?)
    3. Single release/one-offs with distribution.
    4. Brewery only releases.
    5. Vintage one-offs with much respect.

    Maybe there are more, and finer shadings, but in my experience as a trader and lurker, if you try to stay within one level, no one will think you're being unreasonable (there are always questions of reputation, perceived quality, bottle count, etc. but these are inevitable). I will also echo what others have said: keep track of the trading forum, see what the community values certain beers at, and don't try to maximize profit, just trade beer that the other guy wants for beer that you want.
  9. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    Trade beer you have for beer you would like. Not all trades are that simple finding value is just what makes you happy. I traded a Bramble as part of a larger trade for a Kern Citra. I was happy as I am a hophead that loves that beer.
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  10. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    Post what you have/want $4$ and ignore all the BA drama , come thru on your end, and hopefully send some cool extras, makes some friends and future trading partners. It's that simple. Really, it is!
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  11. sandiego67

    sandiego67 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2008 California

    It could be the opposite, when both people think they gave away too much.
  12. glitchedmind

    glitchedmind Initiate (0) May 8, 2012 California

    Get advice from someone you know who already trades. If you don't know anyone, I'm positive a large majority of active traders on this site would be more than willing to offer some assistance.

    Just don't get head over heels too quickly when first starting. Take it slow, learn the ropes, and have fun doing so.
  13. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    Then the trade shouldn't happen if you feel that way.
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  14. FunkyMacGroovin

    FunkyMacGroovin Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2009 California

    Try to have specific beers you want to try in mind when posting trade offers. If you want something and really can't find any other instances of it being traded, ask in this forum, or make an ISO post with an offer you think is reasonable, and invite feedback as to whether you're on track or not. Also, is your friend.
  15. johnyb

    johnyb Defender (667) Aug 11, 2012 Florida
    Beer Trader

  16. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (167) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    How often is seekabrew updated? is it usually up to date?
  17. DaveHack

    DaveHack Champion (803) Mar 28, 2011 Pennsylvania
    Subscriber Beer Trader

    I have felt that I 'gave away too much' already....but if it is a regular trade partner, then all the rules go out the window and I LOVE to kill them, but if it isn' be it, live and learn. By 'beer economics' I've given up the farm so to speak several times, but sometimes you REALLY want a certain beer and it becomes a mission....As you may have guessed I have serious beer OCD. ;)
  18. FunkyMacGroovin

    FunkyMacGroovin Initiate (0) Sep 22, 2009 California

    It's pretty reliable, yeah.
  19. omniscientcause

    omniscientcause Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2010 District of Columbia

    Didnt I tell you, "poop comes out of that butt," before.
  20. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    Rwliable but if you see something not up to date just notify them they will fix it.
  21. Envelopes

    Envelopes Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 Ohio

    Judging by new breweries we've gotten in Ohio it's been updated at least since October but not in the last month.
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  22. wjgeese

    wjgeese Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2012 Pennsylvania

    ok, thanks folks. Sooooo, hypothetically, if I were to say, offer 3 Chocolate Rains for 3 CBS, would I be out of line? Just sayin'
  23. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    No I would think that would get done.
  24. Bluecane

    Bluecane Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2011 New York

    If you offered up Chocolate Rain from you in exchange for CBS, I'd expect your inbox to fill up pretty quickly.
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  25. kscaldef

    kscaldef Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2010 Oregon
    Beer Trader

    I think you'd probably be offering too much; although I'm also not sure how many people are sitting on 3 CBS.
  26. SubpoenaDeuces

    SubpoenaDeuces Initiate (0) Feb 3, 2011 California

    You would also be giving up something to the tune of almost 2x $4$ of brewery only releases for a widely distributed 18 month old coffee stout, which would make you incredibly generous!
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  27. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    True but as I said it would get done if someone kept 3 CBS which someone has. I should have made it more clear why I thought it would get done.
  28. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,088) Mar 12, 2009 New York
    Beer Trader

    Put your location info so others can read it quickly and know what distro you get. Put as much info about what you have and what you like on your profile page. Start small, locals for locals is not only a great way to meet partners, it results in some of the best trades you will do. Welcome!
  29. youradhere

    youradhere Devotee (483) Feb 29, 2008 Washington
    Beer Trader

    Lurk the trade forums for six months, and in that time go to brewery releases to gather ammo, that way you aren't putting up Terrapin Wake n Bake for Kate the Great. Browse the trade forums everyday, like researching the stock market. I usually read the trade forums while I have my morning BM. 'Scuse me I have to do some paperwork real quick. There we go. Also make sure not to get anything on your smartphone while trying to accomplish this...
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  30. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Use this 30 days to save every penny you can because trading is a very expensive hobby. It is also a lot of fun so that balances out.

    Start small, don't have too many trades going on at one time, pack with common sense and most of all don't take this too seriously.
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  31. johnyb

    johnyb Defender (667) Aug 11, 2012 Florida
    Beer Trader

    There is a little TOO MUCH information here
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  32. nc41

    nc41 Meyvn (1,357) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Find a brew you want to drink and post it, use your up dated beer list, and when you find a partner who wants something you have you find a balance. Simple. It's as easy as ie: ISO Pliny FT List.
  33. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (167) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    the main reason I asked is that I am sending a box to a buddy in OH and wanted to make sure I didn't mistakenly send him beers he can get off the shelf locally... Any breweries added in the last month that aren't mentioned on seekabrew?
  34. Envelopes

    Envelopes Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 Ohio

    Off the top of my head: Kona, Revolution, Uinta, Dominion, and starting next month New Albanian
  35. LordFoul

    LordFoul Initiate (167) Oct 7, 2012 South Carolina

    Thank you. Very helpful. I guess I can take that Uinta Hop Notch out of the box
  36. wjgeese

    wjgeese Initiate (0) Oct 6, 2012 Pennsylvania

    thanks, guys (and gals)
  37. Coirm

    Coirm Initiate (183) Dec 12, 2012 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    Newbie question, if I post an in-person ISO/FT that I think is fair $4$, and don't get any takers. How long until I should try again? Don't want to cause any waves, but think someone can fill my want ..
  38. lokieman

    lokieman Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2011 Oklahoma

    I usually wait a week if I get no responses before I re-post a trade. I will usually modify it a little as well because I figure there was a reason I didn't get any bites the first go round.
  39. RC0032

    RC0032 Initiate (65) Mar 10, 2009 Illinois
    Beer Trader

    I would need pics first ;)

    A few days, also try a different time of day.
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  40. Levitation

    Levitation Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2009 California

    there is literally no absolute way to gauge a fair trade. compare, for example, an iso for peche 'n' brett to a ft for peche 'n' brett by the same guy 2 days apart. forget establishing a standard across multiple people, you can't even get something consistent by one person. and that's not to blast either offer, but i'm saying there's too much psychology at work (tendency to overvalue what you have vs. what you want) to get a firm handle on the problem.

    my suggestion? don't trade.
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