General Manager of Mac's Public House Arrested for Not Complying with Coronavirus Restrictions

Good news is that he's been released. The in-story links give the history of his dissent against NYC & NYS draconian orders.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/02/defiant-staten-island-bar-owner-released-after-covid-19-arrest/

 

I get the frustration but we can all do better

 

I'm all for protests, but this joker put people's lives at risk. I hope they permanently yank the business license, or assuming the owners didn't know, at least fire the manager.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/los-angeles-county-covid-data-212604363.html

Maybe the wrong places are being closed?

Anyway, this is a beer forum so that's I'll say about covid

 

It's not that we're closing the wrong things, it's that we're leaving open the wrong things. Fuck, just close it all for the next 90-120 days. OK, maybe not the fire department, but why the hell is parks and rec open? Damn, my mom lives in LA, that makes me want to throw some money at some elections to get some people thrown out of office.

 

At least the contact tracers will have something to keep them busy.

People just continue to amaze me.

 

I've stopped being amazed and transitioned to fear. Getting harder and harder to stave off depression. We are in real trouble and I don't just mean the pandemic.

 

Sadly as a country there’s too much ignorance to comply with basic safety standards.
At this point the only way we’ll get out of this is when the vaccine is widely available.

 

That's insane. Your right, it's going to go south.

 

The complete lack of concern for other people is what gets me. Imagine thinking that possibly being responsible for the death of others is preferable to wearing a mask.

 

I'm guessing most of these people were arguing for "law and order" earlier this year. Funny how that changes when it happens to be a law they don't like. Then it becomes about "freedom".

 

There's a lot more people than you might suspect who both support movements for greater social/racial justice and the push against severe social restrictions as a tool of public health

 

That is probably true, since I've met very few people who hold those two beliefs simultaneously. Nor would any of them classify NY's restrictions as "severe". But those that I have met who overlap in these areas tend to still believe in protesting responsibly and within the law (neither of which this crowd seems to care about).

 

Agreed. This is also a beer forum. How many people on here have had one too many driven home "buzzed", or worse? 99%?

 

Eh I don't know the specifics of nys restrictions. I do personally consider it a severe restriction to mandate that a business not operate and offer low interest loans as.their primary option for " relief". To me, there needs.to be a level of relief available that is commensurate with the degree of control the government seeks to assert. Shutting down my business and offering me a bit of debt in recompense doesn't seem very reasonable

 

I applaud this type of civil disobedience.

 

Im A PaTriOT!

 

I guess don't see any of these business regulations as "severe" because business owners could have protected themselves with a bit of foresight. “Business disruption insurance” is a real thing, that should cover disruptions to business income due to COVID. I don’t want my tax money (or more likely, my children’s tax money) to bail out business owners who were too cheap to protect themselves. They cut costs to provide a cheaper product/service and profited from that in the marketplace. But that also comes with increased risk. If the government bails out such risk takers, it only incentivizes this sort of behavior and punishes those businesses that did the right thing and protected themselves against such an eventuality. No thanks.

I’m happy to bail out those businesses that had/have such insurance and can’t get a payout (because insurance companies are fighting this tooth and nail). And I am also happy to have my taxes support the employees who lose their jobs. These are actual victims who suffer from the unexpected regulations that seek to protect the population. But not the owners who could have protected themselves. They can talk about “freedom” all they want, but the government doesn’t mandate such insurance, because businesses always want the “freedom” to choose their risk profile. Fine. Live by it; die by it. Regardless, it is not my problem.

 

Unfortunately insurance companies aren’t paying business disruption policies out, I know first hand. It’s also easy to say that you support your tax dollars going to businesses and employees hurt during these times but that’s also not, currently, a reality. So what’s a business to do, shut down, lay everyone off and hope that at some point they get the support they need? At this point I don’t see state or federal government helping as much as businesses need.

 

“Law and Order” in the United States means putting your boot on the throats of people of color. It has nothing to do with respect for the institutions of government.

 

Sorry to hear that. It's not surprising. Even where it is obviously covered, insurance companies are willing to fight it out in court because they have the money to do so and policy holders don't. I think the government should buy out the policy holders (or take over the policy), and then sue on their behalf.

Yes. The alternative is to stay open and put their customers' lives at risk while also violating the law.

You're right: I do find it easy to say that my tax dollars should go to help people.

 

My colleague in the same city as these folks got COVID and his elementary-school-aged daughter got COVID six-plus months ago. The daughter had to be hospitalized. They’re no longer actively sick, but still have some shortness of breath and aren’t 100%. Thirty-seven other people in their building have died of COVID.

 

The phrase "law and order" was tainted and made a marker in around 1968 by avowed racist George Wallace. When I hear it I know what it means.

 

Haha, it is idio..., err, people with uninformed and uncaring attitudes like the people referenced in OP that have started me prepping more seriously. I'm set for four months, not gonna enter a store until at least then. We are not red zone again here, but our county just issued an alert that I'm sure is precursor. Hope all y'all are fixed for this. Be smart, be well.

 

I don't think the restrictions are too severe, but I would really like to see a hell of a lot more money being given out in aid. When we were looking at 2-3 months of business interruption, I felt that business owners should be able to handle it on there own. Now that we're sneaking up on 10 months of shit, with no end in the immediate sight, I realize these guys need help.

 

Collective contact moronism never ends well.

 

Yeah I really wish they would give us better information, then we might "learn".
Although rock concerts and PtY releases are probably higher than the background noise

 

FYI, the PPP loans didn’t need to be paid back if employers retained the same number of employees for the loan period. So not debt — free coverage of their payroll for a couple months.

That program was quickly gobbled up by the biggest, best-connected companies though, and all these months later was obviously far too short-lived. There should have been a lot of other relief programs as well.

 

Ya that's my biggest issue. Poverty and the associated illnesses are much more dangerous to a population

So far, our "public health" response has massively increased poverty in our country and apparently hasn't delivered much protection from a virus. Seems like an unmitigated failure to me and I find insistence that everyone continue to follow this course to be extremely narrow sighted and far from compassionate.

We've been carefully trained to regard anyone who reaches different conclusions than us, about extremely complex topics, as some mix of evil and ignorant. Its one of the most dangerous things we are dealing with

 

Damn, they're really rousing a rabble out there in Staten island

 

Occupy Seattle = liberal
Occupy Staten Island = conservative
So Occupy = American?

 

You are entitled to that opinion, but AFAIK there is no evidence that dealing with a pandemic of this magnitude one way versus another way yields ANY difference in effect on present or future poverty. Further, many of us have lived through severe economic downturns and we know that the economy recovers, whereas every dead person is still dead.

 

I feel for small business owners but as cases continue to spike throughout our country idk how to feel. I don't want anyone to die and I don't want anyone to lose their business or homes. I thought it was our governments job to repair the economy

 

Well, a Venn diagram of the Qnon/Anti-science/Covid-denying/"Trump Really Won"-ites and Anti-Vaxxers would likely show a big overlap... but I guess it'll help the rest of us --- eventually.

 

@Justonemore91 the government is terrible at everything it does.

 

This isn't one that can easily be repaired. Personally, I'd be throwing crazy money our right now if it was my call. But ultimately that's going to cause insane inflation. And we haven't even begun to see the negative economic impact. Wait until all the local municipalities see the real impact and start laying off large number of employees.

 

On the bright side, this Coriolis I'm drinking is pretty tasty.