Site Good BA rating, poor Bros rating

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  1. DCgolfpro

    DCgolfpro Devotee (479) Oct 26, 2011 Maryland
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    I always find it interesting to see beers that have a large discrepancy between the BA rating and Bros rating. Beers such as Lagunita's Sucks. What beer has the biggest gap between ratings? What would you attribute that to if anything other than a coincidence in taste?
  2. superspak

    superspak Poo-Bah (9,711) May 5, 2010 Michigan
    Supporter Beer Trader

    Two Hearted comes to mind. 78 vs 95

    Could have sworn Expedition had a huge gap, but I checked the ratings and it's gone?
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  3. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I attribute it to people having different tastes. Sometimes I agree with the bros, sometimes I don't. The BA rating is an average rating. Click lowest, and you'll see people who agree with the bros when they rate something low which averages high.
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  4. ThisWangsChung

    ThisWangsChung Poo-Bah (2,723) Oct 15, 2011 Maryland
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    For a while, Expedition Stout had like a 70 rating from the Bros. compared to its 94 BA rating. I agree(d) with the bros rating more than I do the BA score, by the way... :wink:
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  5. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    For the same reasons that your own reviews might differ from the general consensus.

    I know I'm not alone in having a number of ratings that don't even remotely line up with the overall score:

    Dragon's Milk - 2.05
    Mikkeller Black - 2.30
    Griffin's Bow - 4.48
    Ghost Face Hillah - 4.00

    If everyone in the world had the same palate, there would be no use for a site like this. God bless diversity! Oh yeah, and happy Dr. King Day :grinning:
  6. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    Don't forget sometimes the ratings from the Bros are old.
  7. HoyaSaxa7

    HoyaSaxa7 Initiate (122) Aug 19, 2011 Massachusetts

    Fair amount of Southampton Publick if I recall. Yeah I also find it interesting - I tend to agree with the bros on two hearted actually.

    but there can definitely be a lot of extenuating circumstances - ie westy 8 has a low 'bros' rating because one of the bottles was aged and they hated it, but the other rating they had on it (which was fresh) was very high...
  8. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    True. 2 years ago I'd rate Sculpin a 5, now no higher than 3.5.
  9. BasterdInABasket

    BasterdInABasket Aspirant (247) Nov 8, 2010 Wisconsin

  10. Jason

    Jason Founder (8,126) Aug 23, 1996 Massachusetts
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    Damn ... I worked hard on reviewing that style. Lots of duds. Seriously took a lot of effort in finding one of the best within its group and trying to understand the brewer's full intention. Steel Reserve was a win for me ... to each their own.

    I appreciate you pointing this out as it has again inspired me to seek out the malt liquors I have yet to try.

  11. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    I get the review. It's like when people who hate horrors review horrors and say they suck - you don't like horrors a-hole - don't review it, or at least review it in its genre! If you review a malt liquor, you should review it AS A MALT LIQUOR, and not as someone who hates malt liquor.

    So - I think what Jason did is entirely accurate.
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  12. Brandywine

    Brandywine Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2012 Washington

    I agree. I always review a beer within the context of how it relates to other beers of its style and what it's trying to accomplish therein.
  13. Tballz420

    Tballz420 Meyvn (1,187) Mar 4, 2003 Minnesota

    The bros experience a subjective interpretation of a chemical reaction occuring in the brain, the same as everyone else. What the herd has to say about anything has no bearing on your own interpretation of it

    Drinking beer becomes more fun once you realize that your own opinion is the only one that matters
  14. BasterdInABasket

    BasterdInABasket Aspirant (247) Nov 8, 2010 Wisconsin

    I get the whole reviewing to style thing but there's a reason even the "best" beers in some styles such as malt liquors, AAL and light lagers don't get great overall reviews. Overall they're just not very good. If every style is rated independently shouldnt every style have beers rated as world class then?
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  15. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Then why are you here?
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  16. imperialbeerdude

    imperialbeerdude Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2012 Colorado

    The bros give Sam Smith's stuff super high ratings. In reality people's palates are different you know?
  17. YogiBeer

    YogiBeer Initiate (0) May 10, 2012 Illinois

    Served Griffin's bow with a home made roasted pineapple ice cream at a dinner. Blew people's minds. So fun.
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  18. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (524) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Flying Dog Raging Bitch Belgian IPA 89 vs 71
  19. smokinyodas

    smokinyodas Initiate (0) Oct 21, 2012 Florida

    Sometimes they reformulate the beers for various reasons, such as ingredient supply and demand costs. For a lot of people it's about what they are used to drinking in their region, varieties like pilsners in Germany or stout pale ales in the UK ect.. So availability matters along with price and freshness and so forth.

    When you can actually drink the beers on tap vs bottles and cans, this also makes a big difference in taste. Just like when I taste the metal in some canned beers, so I have to let them breath for a while, but if I had the same beer on tap my review would be different.

    Jason, I can recall drinking my first Colt 45 with Billy Dee Williams.. lol. Malt Liquor is not for everyone that's for sure. My choice has always been Mickey's Fine Malt Liquor in the green unique beehive-shaped, wide-mouthed 12 ounce bottles, it sure works well with some soul foods of the deep south. :wink:
  20. CellarGimp

    CellarGimp Disciple (335) Sep 14, 2011 Missouri

    The bros are not infallable. They are BAs just like you and me and have their own preferences. While I have a lot of respect for their opinion and expertise I no longer put much weight in their reviews though I find them to be pretty fair for the most part. The only palate I really trust anymore is my own as even some BAs I really respect have called it wrong IMHO. I don't even trust the blended BA score, the same as I don't trust the electorate of our republic.
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  21. RandomBattle

    RandomBattle Aspirant (232) Jun 25, 2010 New York
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    Southampton IRS: 94 vs. 72. Wow. Interesting too because they named Southampton Brewpub of the Year (not sure of the year).
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  22. sirsteve42

    sirsteve42 Defender (672) Jan 15, 2009 New York
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    I work in the South Bronx...plenty of malt liquor around these parts. If i were you id seek out cobra if you havent had it yet. 12% for a tallboy at 75 cents talk about bang for the buck or 75 cents in this case :wink:
  23. RangnaR

    RangnaR Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2012 California

    Most of the time I've seen a noticeable discrepancy between BA and Bros ratings, at least with beers I considered good, it's been attributed to the age of the review, and some of those beers have evolved in some way...
  24. Ericness

    Ericness Initiate (186) Nov 21, 2012 Massachusetts

    Don't hate! Steel Reserve is awesome for what it is. Probably the best 40 on the market. I proudly drink this when I'm in the right mood for it. Easy to drink, gets you drunk, and can't beat that price.

    This brew's got street cred man. You can't always drink the "high class" stuff.
  25. imbibehour

    imbibehour Poo-Bah (6,278) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
    Supporter Subscriber Beer Trader

    I know that the 100 point rating score for all the reviews is explained with the Bayesean thingamabob... (explained at the bottom).

    But of course our scores translate as a 5 point rating scale. Not to hijack but how does a 75 translate into that 5 rating and vis versa, so if I have something rated at 2.77 what 100 point scale is this? Is it the same formula?

    I am really bad at math... :slight_smile:

    Either way hey... Steel Reserve and Heady Topper man... gotta drink it from the can... coincidence? Think about it... :wink:

    I miss Rogue's malt liquor, that was a big surprise.
  26. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,621) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Todd's review of Two Hearted suggests it was a bad bottle, possibly old. It happens. Plus, different people taste things differently. Plus some beers seem perfect at a particular time (the right food, the ideal temperature, etc) and less perfect at another time. It's not weird that the Bros' (or anyone's) review may sometimes be an outlier. When I turn to reviews to get others' impressions of a beer, I will look at reviews by Jason and Todd but I will also sort through the reviews of the top reviewers to get a strong overall picture.
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  27. DCgolfpro

    DCgolfpro Devotee (479) Oct 26, 2011 Maryland
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    I as well thought that was a gigantic waste of a post.
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  28. JimSmetana

    JimSmetana Initiate (0) May 11, 2012 Illinois

  29. Ricelikesbeer

    Ricelikesbeer Zealot (578) Nov 29, 2006 Colorado

    Everyone has different palates and ideas what is good and what isn't. Even the very best beers on BA willl always have some guy give it a 1.5. At least the bros' reviews are normally objective and honest, and they have trained palates and a wide range of descriptors. There are some highly rated beers out there that I too would give low scores to.
  30. DaveAnderson

    DaveAnderson Devotee (479) Jan 11, 2011 Minnesota

    I admit I have always been surprised at the amount of love the Bros give to Summit (example: Gold Sovereign, 100 -vs- 88). But, given the fact that they have been able to review almost all of the "unchained" series beers, I presume someone at Summit is Fedexing them fresh brews with each release.
  31. Jason

    Jason Founder (8,126) Aug 23, 1996 Massachusetts
    Staff Subscriber

    I've emailed the brewery on many occasions from fest invites and getting review samples ... radio silence. Todd and I will be heading out to Grand Rapids and perhaps Chicago this year so I am sure we'll run into the beer.
  32. evilc

    evilc Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 California

    They're too cool for everybody, including their customers from what I've read.
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  33. Tballz420

    Tballz420 Meyvn (1,187) Mar 4, 2003 Minnesota

    Well when i joined 10 years ago, it was to educate myself. Now its just to keep up with current beer news, and tell noobs like you to quit relying so heavily on the opinions of others
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  34. JimSmetana

    JimSmetana Initiate (0) May 11, 2012 Illinois

    Looking forward to having you here in Chi-Town!
  35. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,553) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Subscriber

    I think you're confusing wisdom with being a crotchety old man. :wink: Kidding aside, everyone values the opinions of others differently. Nothing wrong with that.
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  36. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,621) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Of course, this quoted part is undeniable, but I find value in sharing opinions on sensory matters. I think it helps us refine our perceptions. Sometimes someone will mention a flavor that they taste but I failed to notice. Maybe it's because I wasn't looking for it, maybe its because I didn't let the beer warm up, etc. The next time I have the beer (the next sip or next pint), I can look out for it. Or sometimes, I taste something but I can't put a name on it, and someone's review will help me do that. And other times as your post suggests, someone's perceptions (i.e., the chemical reactions that connect taste to the brain) are so different from mine that we cannot learn anything from each other beyond the fact that there's something different going on between us.
  37. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Poo-Bah (12,229) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Who cares? Everyone has a different palate. Let everyone's reviews speak to that.
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  38. ericj551

    ericj551 Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2004 Alberta (Canada)

    I think that's a bit misleading. The bros each individually gave the beer (Westvleteren Blonde) a pretty high rating. They then gave a terrible review to a bottle that had been cellared for over 5 years.
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  39. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    You're right.
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