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Goose Island Bourbon County Brand Stout to be available year-round

Discussion in 'Beer News' started by BeerBuckeye, Apr 16, 2012.

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  1. rowingbrewer

    rowingbrewer May 28, 2010 Massachusetts
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    I doubt doubling the amount of bcbs produced will make it possible to fill shelves year round
     
  2. starkmarvelo

    starkmarvelo Jan 20, 2010 Texas
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    Gee, what are people gonna use as "beer trade currency" now?
     
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  3. chase2634

    chase2634 Nov 10, 2009 Pennsylvania

    King Henry?
     
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  4. TomFoolery_x

    TomFoolery_x Oct 4, 2012 Illinois

    I don't see this actually happening, if anything it will be released multiple times a year. But to be a year round beer, being aged in bourbon barrels, is quite the task.
     
  5. nc41

    nc41 Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Hoppin Frog does it with BA Boris, so it can be done, the power of AB financial backing may also bring down the cost a bit without sacrificing quality. At least that is the hope.
     
  6. brewbetter

    brewbetter Jun 2, 2012 Nauru

    BA Boris is not year-round in most markets. For example, in NJ and FL, it sells out.
     
  7. YaKnowBrady

    YaKnowBrady Jul 23, 2010 New Jersey

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  8. jacewg

    jacewg Jan 7, 2012 District of Columbia

    BA Boris is almost year-round in DC. It does have some lulls in availability.
     
  9. Tashbrew

    Tashbrew Dec 29, 2007 California

    BCBS and all non Belgian yeast fermented beers are or will soon be brewed at other ABI breweries. 312, Nut Brown Ale, Honkers and the IPA are being brewed at either Redhook in NH, at a AB brewery and possibly Widmer. For 2013 BCBS is possibly going to be brewed at the AB St. Louis brewery where is room for upwards of 5000 Bourbon barrels. The Fulton street brewery will be essentially for the Big Belgian Ales, one offs and sour projects.

    This information was relayed to me at the GABF by AB personnel/management and former GI employees. Any and or all of this information should be considered as conjecture versus actual fact. Time will tell.
     
  10. evilcatfish

    evilcatfish May 11, 2012 Missouri
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    Growing up in StL, I have taken the AB tour a time or two. The idea of 5000 barrels of BCBS makes me want to do it again.
     
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  11. immobilisme

    immobilisme Nov 8, 2005 Illinois

    I also have heard from a number of GI brewers that the Fulton and Wood brewery would eventually become an all-brett brewery, so I am not surprised. "Soon" is certainly subjective though.
     
  12. BoneyardBrewer

    BoneyardBrewer Apr 24, 2005 Michigan

    My initial thought was, "How many empty bourbon barrels are there available at any given time?"
     
  13. gtermi

    gtermi Apr 21, 2010 Texas

    I see it as Zombie Dust being year round. I can't always find it
     
  14. pixieskid

    pixieskid Jun 4, 2009 Germany

    My rule is that I won't purchase it, but if offered some I won't refuse it, just to be friendly.
     
  15. Monsone

    Monsone Jun 5, 2006 Illinois

    IIRC Laffler told me that 80% of all the bourbon barrels that leave Heaven Hill go to Goose. So they would need to source them from another distillery to increase production, but with some good blending I doubt that the end product would be effected much.
     
  16. wonderbread23

    wonderbread23 Aug 4, 2009 New York

    Sounds kinda crazy considering the volume and brands that Heaven Hill does. I'd bet that the majority of their barrels are still going to Scotland.
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Which is why AB and it's deep pockets can probably pull this off. I'm sure there's a finite number of barrels available every year, demand will make prices probably go up, other brewers may not be able to buy a many barrels as they want. Imagine GI producing vast quantities of BCS year round, while Founders scraps for barrels to make KBS which from my information was/is slated for a production increase. Should be interesting, the brew master at Foothills told me barrels can be used twice, and he sometimes has to blend barrels to keep it consistent.
     
  18. Holmes698

    Holmes698 Mar 7, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  19. beernut

    beernut Jun 6, 2008 New Jersey

    maybe price will drop a little.
     
  20. nc41

    nc41 Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I wonder if barrels can be re infused? Take one that's been used twice, refill to some minor degree, rotating it to keep the wood to bourbon contact, dump and reuse it adding the beer.
     
  21. nc41

    nc41 Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I wouldn't count on that, if demand goes up prices on barrels will most certainly go up as well. AB can take a little hit, and maybe keep prices the same, Founders might have to raise KBS to BCS prices. Speculation, but it would seem reasonable.
     
  22. Treebs

    Treebs Apr 18, 2011 Illinois

    So far we've seen an increase across all GI products and the quality hasn't suffered one bit. The "always =" is a pretty ridiculous statement.
     
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  23. MagillaGriller

    MagillaGriller Aug 20, 2012

    Dare I dream..?
     
  24. Holmes698

    Holmes698 Mar 7, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Drink a GI IPA and tell me that...
     
  25. Treebs

    Treebs Apr 18, 2011 Illinois

    I'm glad your own opinion regarding one of their beers is enough to constitute a hard fact (Large scale always = decline in quality) regarding every single one of their beers declining with a larger scale brewing.

    How do you feel about this year's Juliet, Lolita, Madame Rose, BCBS, Marisol, Sofie, Matilda, Pere Jacques, Pepe Nero? They've been able to brew those on a much larger scale because they aren't brewing 312 or Nut Brown at their brewery anymore.
     
  26. PlayaPlaya

    PlayaPlaya Sep 19, 2012 Illinois

    Seriously??? What an awful, ignorant post.

    GI IPA is one of the worst IPA's I think Ive ever had, but how in the world does that translate to the rest of their world class beers???

    Their IPA isnt even brewed anywhere close to where they brew the rest of their world class brews(completely different building with different people running it)

    Comparing acorns to Godiva.

    Every single person or company in the world, OBVIOUSLY, has one or two things that are their weak points. Thats just life.
    If every single product GI put out was as good as BCBS, John Hall would be the president of the United States right now.
     
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  27. crushedvol

    crushedvol Jan 29, 2008 Illinois

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  28. agorsuch

    agorsuch May 17, 2012 Michigan

  29. Holmes698

    Holmes698 Mar 7, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Ok...I concede Large scale darn near all the time = decrease in quality.
     
  30. FTowne

    FTowne Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    Examples?
     
  31. gustogasmic

    gustogasmic Jan 13, 2012 Michigan
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    A lot. Bourbon-barrel aged beer consumption by volume is not going to surpass bourbon consumption by volume any time soon. Actually, that would be impossible, if only using first-round barrels, and if you consider using second, third, etc. barrels, this would lower the demand, too. (Fortunately!)
     
  32. Tashbrew

    Tashbrew Dec 29, 2007 California

    Typically a distillery is dumping 400-600 barrels everyday of the of year except holidays. The really big guys up to a 1000 a day. There is always a great factoid for Kentucky. There are upwards of 27 million Bourbon Barrels 'in process' at any given time in KY. If someone can fact check me please correct the number. "Shitload" is not a better answer...
     
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  33. thereal

    thereal Apr 20, 2010 Illinois

    The correct number is "fuck ton."
     
  34. LiquidDegenerate

    LiquidDegenerate Nov 22, 2011 Florida
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    Both of you are close but not exact... actual amount is a "metric shit ton".
     
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  35. Brunite

    Brunite Sep 21, 2009 Illinois

    This statement still leaves itself subject to scrutiny. Every successful and growing craft beer producer is operating at a much larger scale (and relative to AB growth.....exponentially larger) than it was when it started. Look at the growth of outfits like Sierra Nevada (huge and now building out East), Lagunitas (setting up new operations in Chicago), Green Flash (looking to building out East), etc.

    Heck.....even good old Boston Lager still tastes....well......Good! And BBC sure has gone large scale since Jim Koch started in his kitchen.

    Point is; all these operations are operating at a much larger scale, relative to when the founders started. And they are all big players in the growth of craft beer....and brew really good craft beer. Decreases in quality can be controlled, despite a growth in "scale".....as long as it remains a part of the business plan and a priority.
     
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  36. Patrick

    Patrick Aug 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Try these beers again, but this time, don't drink them with a straw.
     
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  37. cavedave

    cavedave Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Excellent point, not so much as I would notice a difference int the beers you quoted as staying the same, but that you pointed out that 312 and Nut Brown have been outsourced. IMHO those beers should have been dropped entirely, and take IPA with them, they are all of a lesser quality, frankly they are run of the mill.

    The fact that Budweiser has chosen to focus on the rest of the portfolio should be cause for optimism.
     
  38. Brunite

    Brunite Sep 21, 2009 Illinois

    Run of the mill? Perhaps. But these have been gateway beers that got many a "Joe-Sixpack" into craft beer. Likewise; these beers (and Honkers) are what have been paying the bills at GI for a long time, perhaps giving them more liberty to delve into the specialty beers that are held in such high regard. No?

    In addition, IPA may not have the depth and balance of Founders Centennial or the hop character of a FW....but they did get a gold at GABF for it......which is worth something.

    Lastly; I love having these GI options available in my market (Chicago @ 7.99-8.99ish) as an occasional choice vs most other craft priced $9.99-10.99 when it comes to lawn-mowing or quaffing.

    All that said....I do respect your opinion.
     
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  39. Holmes698

    Holmes698 Mar 7, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You have some great points. In retrospect I was being a little broad in my statement. I guess that in other industries once products become produced in large scale quality control can become difficult. (I'm sure the orginal McDonald's cheeseburger were fantastic) I hope this is not the case for GI barrel aged beers. I will admit that I am not overjoyed that AB/InBev owns GI. Sorry a little of my own spite slipped out there.
     
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  40. Brunite

    Brunite Sep 21, 2009 Illinois

    Understood. I'm sure that most here would have liked to see GI stay within the founding family. Let's hope that the availability increases and quality continues for those who continue to search out these products.
     
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