Release Goose Island to bring back Big John and Night Stalker

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  1. jsurfs82

    jsurfs82 Disciple (329) May 13, 2008 Ohio

    Definitely err on the side of caution I just cracked my 11/19/2012 -1215 and can confirm there is an infection here. I had this a week ago in FL not sure what batch and it was amazing. I'm very disappointed this is a great beer typically.
     
  2. JackHPatterson

    JackHPatterson Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2013

    I like Big John. Unique & refreshing. Lil tartness with the chocolate added. Damn good though
     
  3. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Disciple (383) Feb 18, 2009 New York
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    Ugh, you bastard. Whole Foods in NYC sold Big John for $11 and Nightstalker for $17 - and WF usually has some of the most reasonable prices in New York.

    That said, with Madame Rose, Big John, Nightstalker, and all the Bourbon County releases - my beer stash has taken on a significantly heavy Goose Island leaning of late.
     
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  4. SDG1070

    SDG1070 Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2012 Ohio

    Unfortunately, the first bottle I opened was infected and was undrinkable. I poured it down the drain. Needless to say I was very disappointed as I have been looking forward to trying this.
     
  5. ThePorterSorter

    ThePorterSorter Meyvn (1,423) Aug 10, 2010 Oregon
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    I'm in the same boat (any my review reflects my first impression of the beer...not good). I'm a huge BCBS/variant fan so it didn't make sense why dry hopping the base would make such a drain pour by comparison
     
  6. ScottK22

    ScottK22 Aspirant (251) Dec 30, 2010 New York

    Funny you should ask...... I just finished reading a thread about infected Night Stalker. I actually haven't cracked one open yet. I'm now very nervous, I was really looking forward to some good Night Stalker.
     
  7. goalie33

    goalie33 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2009 New York

    $9.49??? That's amazing! I almost didn't get any because stores near me had it for $17!

    Anyone else feel like prices have been jacked up on this batch? I remember it used to be $12.
     
  8. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    The last release was definitely in that 10-12 range, but Ive seen alot of reports saying that's what people are paying...maybe it's your local store jacking up the price.
     
  9. Monsone

    Monsone Initiate (194) Jun 5, 2006 Illinois

    My guess would be that Nightstalker is a highly hopped stout and they intend the beer to be drunk while the hops are still highly present. Same guess to Big John, GI probably believes that Big John's cocoa nib flavor is degraded when aged more than a year.
     
  10. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Disciple (383) Feb 18, 2009 New York
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    Just checked, saw I picked up an 11/19. Reviews on Ratebeer regarding that date of bottling are certainly mixed, so I'm going to sit on it and hope for the best. Nothing like building a sense of anticipation!
     
  11. MarcatGSB

    MarcatGSB Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2011 Michigan

    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/is-night-stalker-infected.59193/page-3#post-796892
    Some good insight there as to off flavors, and such...
    Also there are some posts quoting Lafflers twitter feed, that claims they used different hops this time around, compared to last batch.
    Also, I feel like the "Drink before" dating on these more recent bottles might have something to do with AB, and possibly the idea that they plan to brew this beer yearly, and if you tell people to hang onto bottles for 5 years...and they are sitting around, why buy more? I'm not positive they intended to re-release these beers after those batches a couple years ago. Just a thought.
     
  12. firecracker87

    firecracker87 Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2013 Virginia
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    I know this is an old thread, but I don't see Big John on GI beer calendar. Did they ever bring it back? What did they finally decide?
     
  13. striker2160

    striker2160 Disciple (391) May 5, 2013 Minnesota
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    I don't think so. I bought a bottle of Big John at Lincoln Park Binnys on Black Friday and it was dated 12 of 2012
     
  14. trep

    trep Devotee (442) Jun 6, 2005 West Virginia

    GI is going to release a 10% imperial stout in September called "The Muddy". Made with molasses, brewers licorice, and Belgian dark candi sugar.
     
  15. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Meyvn (1,443) Aug 29, 2012 Michigan
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    I was going to guess something similar. Night Stalker is a hoppy stout, meaning one of the things that makes it unique would disappear over time.

    As a matter of fact, I've never quite understood the point of cellaring stouts like NS and Storm King. If you need to cellar it to get rid of the hop bite, just buy a non-hoppy stout.

    On topic: I wasn't wild about NS (I prefer my stouts with little to no hop presence), but I am curious to try Big John.
     
  16. UnknownKoger

    UnknownKoger Zealot (511) Jul 9, 2010 California

    just opened my last bottle of Big John from 2012 (I think) a few months ago, and it was fantastic
     
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  17. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Devotee (440) Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    I have had both beers, they are nice but nowhere near as good as most RIS or even close BCBS for that record. If people love these beers, I am happy for them that they are back.
     
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  18. TheBeerDrinker

    TheBeerDrinker Initiate (0) Jan 29, 2014 Minnesota

    Here's to hoping the Big John I have an IP trade set up for tomorrow has no infection issues. Hope the same for the Nightstalker downstairs. This is the first I had heard of any issues.
     
  19. gillagorilla

    gillagorilla Meyvn (1,250) Feb 27, 2013 Maryland
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    I never knew they left since I have still seen them on shelves. I don't think we have Big John still though. I prefer them to BCBS so far, but we will see how it goes once I have it aged over the next few years.

    Will this be bottled like NS and BJ or draft only?
     
  20. PlayaPlaya

    PlayaPlaya Initiate (0) Sep 19, 2012 Illinois

    No. Big John, Night Stalker and Nut Brown are all off the calendar this year. Instead, we get Endless Session IPA!!!!!!!
     
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  21. 77black_ships

    77black_ships Devotee (440) Dec 4, 2012 Belgium

    Lol, endless session IPA? It is called a drinking problem.
     
  22. trep

    trep Devotee (442) Jun 6, 2005 West Virginia

    4pk 12oz bottles and draft.
     
  23. braugon

    braugon Initiate (0) Mar 14, 2013 Connecticut

    aged Night Stalker holds up pretty well.
     
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  24. Roguer

    Roguer Poo-Bah (2,470) Mar 25, 2013 Georgia
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    I've never had Night Stalker, but I did have a 2012 Big John, and it was fantastic. Very smooth and rich.
     
  25. braugon

    braugon Initiate (0) Mar 14, 2013 Connecticut

    I'm partial to Big Night and John Stalker.
     
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  26. DoubleJ

    DoubleJ Poo-Bah (5,196) Oct 13, 2007 California
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    1. Mmmm, Night Stalker.
     
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  27. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Poo-Bah (2,758) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico
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    Night Stalker and Big John were both on tap at Rattle n Hum this past Saturday as were BCBS and BCBS Barleywine. I tried the Big John and felt at first like it tasted identical to BCBS. I noted this to the waitress and she shot me the lazer eyes and insisted it came from the right tap. As it warmed up, I did start to get tastes I wouldn't associate with BCBS, but I stand my initial feeling that I thought I was drinking a Bourbon County.

    Given the nature of this thread, can anyone speculate as to age of the kegs I drank from?
     
  28. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Disciple (383) Feb 18, 2009 New York
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    If anyone wants to come pick up a bottle of 2012 Night Stalker from me in Brooklyn, you are welcome to it. Bought three, opened the first two, both were undeniable drain pours. Would rather not bother with the third bottle.

    Seriously, PM me if you want it.
     
  29. HopAttack3

    HopAttack3 Disciple (336) Sep 15, 2011 Virginia
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    Opened a bottle of Night Stalker last October, split it with a buddy (He also had a bottle in his cellar), good lord was that beer awful, drainpour for sure. A month or so later, this same buddy opened his NS, it too was also a drain pour. He bought his in Chicago in 2012, and I bought my in VA in 2013.

    Still have a bottle of Big John, had one at a tasting a couple of months ago, it was fantastic.
     
  30. teledeluxe

    teledeluxe Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2013 Illinois
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    You aren't giving me much hope for the two Nov 2012s I have in my cellar. My buddy opened and shared his bottle when they were all fresh and I've been scared to open mine ever since. I was so awful fresh. Tasted like straight up orange pith with some roasty. So, so bitter.
     
  31. MisterBisco

    MisterBisco Disciple (383) Feb 18, 2009 New York
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    I thought mine tasted like rotten soy sauce, myself. I didn't know that soy sauce could go rotten, but there you go.

    But hey, some people did give very positive reports from the same release, so who knows.
     
  32. B-Nut-GoBlue

    B-Nut-GoBlue Disciple (334) Apr 22, 2014 Iowa
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    This posts are not very reassuring for the 2012(?) bottle I have waiting to be opened. I feel like I'm just going to have to pop it open soon, get it over with and find out how she goes.
     
  33. AstraXtreme

    AstraXtreme Initiate (184) Mar 21, 2014 Wisconsin
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    Sounds like there might have been some infection problems. I came across a bottle of 2012 Night Stalker a few months ago and it was incredibly good. Wish I could find more of it. It reminded me of bourbon county minus the barrel aging. One of the best thick stouts I've had.
     
  34. Streaky

    Streaky Initiate (188) Mar 26, 2013 New Jersey
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    Hah, I opened this thread because I was at Rattle and Hum on Monday and saw both on tap and was like woah, really? I wanted to try both but it was too early in the day :/
     
  35. Mag00n

    Mag00n Aspirant (208) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    They arent really at all similar really IMO. If you tasted bourbon in your glass it was bcbs. The mouth feel is really the only similarity that sticks out.
     
  36. AstraXtreme

    AstraXtreme Initiate (184) Mar 21, 2014 Wisconsin
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    Whaaaa? There's no such thing as too early!
     
  37. 4ingredients

    4ingredients Initiate (0) May 22, 2009 Massachusetts

    Love Night Stalker. Just last week I had the 2009 that I'd been cellaring. Outstanding. Have not had Big John.
     
  38. Streaky

    Streaky Initiate (188) Mar 26, 2013 New Jersey
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    I agree, and I enjoyed a Troegs Sunshine Pils. I do however believe that lunch is too early for an 11+ % abv imperial stout!
     
  39. AstraXtreme

    AstraXtreme Initiate (184) Mar 21, 2014 Wisconsin
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    If it has coffee in it, you have an excuse, haha. Still probably isn't more alcohol than a strong bloody mary or screwdriver.
     
  40. benbking

    benbking Disciple (304) Dec 11, 2009 Rhode Island
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    FWIW I have had 3 bottles of 12 Night Stalker in the last month and I thought they were all pretty good.
     
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