Goose Island's Bourbon County Stouts for 2017

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  1. Fordcoyote15

    Fordcoyote15 Meyvn (1,273) Nov 19, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    As far as top non coffee BB stouts that aren't uber whales to trade above $4$ go. In my opinion:

    BCBS > BB dark apparition > parabola > ba 1050

    Deths tar, and bb siberian night could be included as well.

    Bcbs still reigns king as far as somewhat attainable bb stouts imo.
     
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  2. wes008

    wes008 Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Gonna have to stock up on ammo to trade for that Proprietors! Or plan a trip to Chi town....
     
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  3. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Crusader (720) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
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    Re BCBS, I've only had it on draft with other colleagues. Have never chased bottles... the price point is awful to me.

    I ALMOST bought KBS this year. It seems KBS has got to the point where you don't have to chase it in my area anymore. TW had a pallet of the stuff and was giving away a 4pack per person, and it lasted the better part of a week. But again... the price.

    My decision probably had something to do with having High Westified and Sunday Morning Stout earlier in the year. Those prices I could deal with.
     
  4. juliolugo

    juliolugo Initiate (95) Jun 22, 2015 Massachusetts

    not sure what the 4-packs of kbs were going for this year (didn't chase them), but it sounded like the 750s were more expensive per oz than bcbs. bcbs is $9 for a 50cl bottle here.
     
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  5. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,960) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    4-packs were in the $20 to $22 ballpark, with some places gouging much higher. I stayed away from KBS bombers simply because I prefer my mega-ABV beers in 12oz doses.
     
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  6. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Poo-Bah (1,868) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    I haven't bought bourbon county in a while,2014. If you got plenty of high westified I wouldn't worry about missing Kbs, I personally prefer high westified.
     
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  7. KBlodorn

    KBlodorn Aspirant (285) Oct 3, 2014 Ohio
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    It's not due to price, it's because many of those ratings were of infected bottles. If you take infections out of the equation the ratings would be remarkably higher. Plus, unlike Untappd, BA doesn't have listings for different release years, they just have "Bourbon County Brand Stout" as opposed to Bourbon County (2015) and Bourbon County (2016), etc.

    No knock in KBS, either, though, I love the stuff :slight_smile:
     
  8. HopsDubosc

    HopsDubosc Initiate (178) Apr 24, 2015 Vermont

    Um, I have been, and will continue to, do me.... thanks
     
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  9. Boomer4ES

    Boomer4ES Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 North Carolina

    You should try doing a little research for yourself before making assumptions or giving up on a brand. Besides that, exclusivity is a hot commodity, especially in the beer world, and it is ok for a brand to produce a limited product to keep the demand high. This is not taking into account the fact that the beer is now distributed nationwide and their barrel house hasn't really gotten any bigger.

    Over 50% of the batch was dumped last year due to infection resulting from re-use of the infected barrels from the previous year. The beer was put in the barrels before the 2015 infection was discovered. Due to this, the allocations were severely cut in non-legacy states (states that did not carry GI before the AB purchase). You can take this however you want. I assume you will be as negative as possible about it and still not buy the beer. However, they did the right thing in not releasing infected beer, I would say. I hope you can figure out a way to get your panties unbunched. That sounds uncomfortable.
     
  10. Prince_Casual

    Prince_Casual Disciple (356) Nov 3, 2012 District of Columbia
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    Here's the deal bud: two years ago I got 3cs of BCBS (sour, did get refund) and 1cs BCBBW (also infected, did not know there was a cutoff and ate 11x$12.99)... Everything that year I got my hands on was dumped down the drain other than the ~12 I drank in the first 2 months.

    Then this year I tried to get some at several locations and literally came across 1 bottle. The year before I got 3+1cs, and could have bought much more, and this year I got 1 bottle. How is that being managed effectively, when people on this site are still "hauling" cases and cases, and the Total Wines and Wegmans I visited inside the Beltway, got literally 1cs regular per store ?

    I'm not sure how you're interpreting that as "being as negative as possible." What kind of brand loyalty are they expecting, when I have access to bad beer, and then no access to the brand... thats not even touching on the idiotic 'varients' that they could easily make more of and make somewhat available, yet don't. It's like Diageo with the stupid "Orphan Barrel" series that's a parody of why (for the most part wealthy affluent white males) seek out specific bourbons and beers. Just because you choose to artificially make it scarce and/or distribute it in an idiotic way, doesn't make it "rare" or even "good." It's basically just preying on wealthier people who are not as seasoned/ don't have time to do the research and sniff out the bullshit/trickery that these companies employ.

    ::Like I said, I'll buy BCBS if I come across it at a fair price, but fuck the GI salespeople who are telling stores to take a bunch of Sofie+Matilda so they /MAYBE/ can get some of this beer that "the phones will be ringing off the hook and you can charge whatever you want for it."::
     
  11. invertalon

    invertalon Zealot (506) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    I am actually quite surprised there is this much interest in this beer, given who owns them now, from this community. I won't buy any, just on principle. BCBS is a great stout, but yeah... You know.
     
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  12. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (10,587) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    That purchase was six years ago, though. Clearly, a lot fewer people have a moral objection than outwardly say they do, as consumption and appetite has only seemed to increased.

    Despite Ohio's past ABV laws, I never made the trip out of state on Black Friday since GI was purchased by ABInbev. I've only had one opportunity to actually buy BCBS since then, and I took it. I'm not sure I still will going forward, because it was a large quantity and I've still got plenty left, but, who knows whether Ohio will see any, since we never received any after our ABV limit was lifted last year.

    I spend so much more money on local and craft beer I tend not to worry about it. I do try to be conscious of who I buy from, but if something is truly stellar, and also has solid trade value, it'd be very difficult to decline.
     
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  13. Boomer4ES

    Boomer4ES Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 North Carolina

    Yes, the best thing to do is ignore what actually happened and still be pissed that you didn't get any. Good call. Everyone that did not happen to live in a legacy state got shafted. Come up with all the conspiracy theories that you want, man. The US planned 9/11 and vaccines cause autism. I hear you.
     
  14. Prince_Casual

    Prince_Casual Disciple (356) Nov 3, 2012 District of Columbia
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    Dude wtf are you talking about? Conspiracies? You're the one spouting off about sending product to "Legacy States" from before AbInbev acquired them... no one knows what you're talking about, you just invented that 'conspiracy' as far as I can tell. Although some of your earlier posts sound liek you work for a Bud distributor, so if accurate, this is new information to people who don't work for them.

    Why would they "take care" of the states they were in before they bought them? The year of VR they sent TONS of BCBS and variants including VR to the 'new' states like Florida.
     
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  15. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (14,960) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Can say it's fact, but word going around to the retailers, presumably through distributors, was that BCBS 2016 had issues and they had to dump up to 60% of it, and some staff. That's why it was more difficult to find in almost all markets - we got a small fraction of usual, and some places got none.
     
  16. Lone_Freighter

    Lone_Freighter Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2017 Vermont

    Not sure where you live, but Bristol Beverage didn't have any limits last year on BCBS. Adam, the manager there, has told people he just wants it out the sooner the better.

    However, I do agree with most of this post because Foam Brewers is about to can and their stouts last Winter were more than legit!

    Me, I'm not driving 45 minutes South in late November to get as much as this beer as I want when I can drive less than 15 minutes to Foam Brewers (Sam and Jon have a very worthy product soon to inspire more than enough people).
     
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  17. RKP1967

    RKP1967 Disciple (320) Sep 26, 2010 Virginia

    High Westified and SMS are nice beers but not in the same league as BCBS or KBS. Pay a little more and you get a better product in this case.
     
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  18. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (10,587) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Gonna have to disagree on SMS--quality there is way underrated and definitely a more enjoyable beer than KBS imo.
     
  19. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Savant (958) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    It's just difference of taste and preference.

    I also think that KBS is signifcantly better than HW or SMS. To me, much like RKP, KBS is substantially better and worth the additional price. I know many that doe not agree with my sentiments.

    If there is one thing I have learned, it is that there are very few people that I will actually take advice from on whether or not something is 'fire!' My tastes are so far from others that I just can't trust most people's tastes to be as close to mine as to expect their advice to be true for me.
     
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  20. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (10,587) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    I'm with you there. It's always a red flag for me when someone declares a beer *fire*
     
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  21. croush

    croush Champion (805) Mar 20, 2015 Illinois
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    It's a red flag for me whenever someone describes anything as "fire".
     
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  22. anvindr

    anvindr Initiate (137) Jan 6, 2016 California

    I have yet to see a single blind taste test between KBS and SMS that didnt come up STRONGLY on the SMS side
     
  23. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Savant (958) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    Am I missing something?

    I stated that everyone has different preferences and different tastes. At least two people (myself and someone else) in this thread prefer KBS. I don't taste much chocolate in SMS while I taste a lot of it in KBS.

    To me, KBS has a lot of flavor, with multiple different notes. Whereas, to me SMS is much more single-note. This could be due to my bitter sensitivity and inability to taste much beyond bitter after a certain bitter threshold is reached. I think KBS is super balanced. I don't think SMS is balanced.

    Others clearly taste more than I do in SMS. Everyone's tastes (and ability to taste) differ.
     
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  24. anvindr

    anvindr Initiate (137) Jan 6, 2016 California

    have you ever tried a blind taste test? I suspect your results would make all of your words here look pretty foolish
     
  25. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Savant (958) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    You seem intent on convincing me that everyone has the same ability to taste.

    Would you be convinced anymore that not everyone has the same ability to taste if you knew that my bitter sensitivity was so extreme that I can't taste anything except bitterness in any type of high-quality coffee until I add a rather large amount of sugar?

    Everyone is different. I don't understand why you don't agree.
     
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  26. anvindr

    anvindr Initiate (137) Jan 6, 2016 California

    im not disagreeing that youre different. Im just pointing out that you have NOT DONE A BLIND TASTE COMPARISON
     
  27. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (3,108) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    True blind tastings are the great revealers and great humblers.
     
  28. croush

    croush Champion (805) Mar 20, 2015 Illinois
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    I've done it twice...KBS came out ahead both times. Granted, you didn't SEE it, but I can tell you it 100% happened. I've also given tastes to friends that have zero pre-existing ideas about which label has more hype, and KBS was preferred. I actually passed on SMS this year due to not caring for it as much...I would like to have tried a bottle or two, but not having distro in IL and trying to cut down on purchasing made me pass on getting a 4-pack.
     
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  29. djtothemoney

    djtothemoney Initiate (0) Nov 30, 2015 Ohio

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    I've done several blind triangle tests and was able to pick out the SMS every time. The heat on the back end gives it away. It's a great beer, but I prefer KBS.

    Back on the topic though, I'm hoping Ohio gets some BCBS this year.
     
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  30. vette-ss

    vette-ss Initiate (190) Nov 5, 2014 Michigan
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    Why are we arguing KBS vs. SMS in a BCBS thread. FWIW, neither do much for me. I want to hear more about people not buying BCBS this year. Gets my hopes up of having more for myself.
     
  31. Leebo

    Leebo Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    I'll leave it on the shelf for the rest of ya'll. Not an inbev supporter. Got better local stuff anyway. Jacks Abby for the win.
     
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  32. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (10,587) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    Can't argue with the Framinghammer line, especially Cocoa-Nut, Mole, Vanilla and...most especially that COFFEE!
     
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  33. HopsDubosc

    HopsDubosc Initiate (178) Apr 24, 2015 Vermont

    Except maybe a Timbaland track
     
  34. Runofthedill

    Runofthedill Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2014 Ohio

    we will, inbev did an event with Lizardville in Cleveland for some special barrels. We didn't last year to due the labels not being approved in time.
     
  35. Sabtos

    Sabtos Poo-Bah (10,587) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
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    I still don't understand how they swung that, since I really can't imagine they'd sold all that much GI in the past.
     
  36. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Savant (958) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    I was told that Lizardville has been fortunate enough to get much of the stuff that they have (that others have not in OH) because all stores end up being combined into 1 when looking at sales. Supposedly they got the only case of Black tuesday (or maybe it was Chocolate Rain) that came to Ohio because of this.
     
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  37. anvindr

    anvindr Initiate (137) Jan 6, 2016 California

    chocolate rain in ohio. what is the world coming to
     
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  38. waltari

    waltari Initiate (82) Jan 28, 2016 Georgia

    A little more? more like 3-4X
     
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  39. Lazhal

    Lazhal Devotee (479) Mar 13, 2011 Michigan
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    I don't believe that. Can you provide a source for this?
     
  40. anvindr

    anvindr Initiate (137) Jan 6, 2016 California

    source: word of mouth
     
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