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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by ifnkovhg, Oct 8, 2019.
Does anyone have a favorite brewery that they feel deserves more awards than it receives?
Well Tree House never even enters so does that count?
@ScaryEd wins a gold star here.
You have to enter to win. Only the Brewers Association folks and the individual breweries know who entered beers into the GABF competition.
The reason that beer brand x from brewery y did not win a medal could simply be because they chose to not enter this beer into the GABF competition.
What Jack and Ed said. Of course, we aren't privy to all the breweries that sent in submissions...
Plus, even if you do know what was entered, not winning a medal shouldn’t “take away” from the beer. I got shut out on medals this year, but I have a high degree of confidence in the quality of the 5 beers I submitted this year. I can’t wait to see the judge’s comments and compare them to the countless other blind tastings we utilize on a regular basis
Huh. I did not know that. Thanks!
In the past how closely did beer competition feedback mirror the evaluations of the other blind tastings you conducted?
Beyond the luck involved we don't always know who got close but didn't medal. The breweries are alerted if they reach the medal table and sometimes a place might end up on the medal table for a bunch of beers. I know of at least one place that ended up in that situation. After 1-3, most of us don't know who got 4th vs. 204th.
Sorry I don't know but which brewery are you associated with?
It depends on the type of tasting. The ones where we are using BJCP judges and judging to style are pretty consistent. It’s a bit hard to say since with GABF you don’t get a numerical score. You get a comment card along with a sliding scale for attributes saying wether the beer is true to style for each attribute. One of the beers we entered (German style Pils) can be divisive since it is more aromatic than a lot of judges believe Pils should be and some judges think it’s a great example... interpretation of the style guideline is a major factor in these competitions.
Frequently, our beers are not brewed to fit a guideline and our blind tastings that are focused only on favoritism can have very different results than our “style” tastings.
Tombstone Brewing Company
It will be interesting to read what they have to say here. Firestone Walker has won four medals for Pivo Pils in past GABF competitions and that beer is quite aromatic (when fresh).
How would you personally describe the aroma of your German Pilsner?
Augustiner Pils was my favorite Pils in Germany. According to one of my professors, it is hop bursted with Mittelfreu... so I started with that as a base and dry hopped with Saphir, the same dry hop used in Pivo if that gives a clue as to the hop profile you’d expect. I think of it as being very floral with a hint of lemongrass. It is a little more estery than some German pilseners because we use yeast that was propagated from Augustiner and the strain is known for its estery profile. I seem to recall that you’re familiar with that strain...?
Of the beers that medaled in that category, I have only had the Hardywood and I would agree that it’s a world class Pils... It’s frequently available at Quarterdeck in D.C. and I’m there a couple times a year. I love that beer. It tastes a little more malty sweet and features bittering hops much more than the Pils I submitted. It’s a different approach within the same category.
Summarizing, we don't know who entered, but if your favorite did not win a medal, it can ONLY be because they did not enter.
I've been told by various people that "no one cares" about GABF medals/ awards. Clearly some people do, but it doesn't usually translate into hype.
Sounds like something someone who doesn't win would say...
Lol! Sarcasm at its best.
If Tree House entered and didn't win in the hazy category, it would deliver a blow to their brand. That is why they will NEVER enter. That said, I love their beers.
With an average of 4.5 for their beers on BA, I doubt that there would be a blow to their reputation. Shrugs.
I've been drinking their beers from the very beginning. I will say this: One thing I've found from the hype breweries is that they don't enter competitions. Look at Heady. Legendary. Kimmich's wife flat-out told me they had no interest. I think there is more to what I'm saying than you realize. But peace, brother.
I can tell you that as a brewer that entered and wasn’t awarded this year, I care... If no one cared, brewers wouldn’t enter. A lot of styles don’t translate into hype, but a win is something to be proud of. Not winning though is nothing to be ashamed of... maybe with a different panel or different order of appearance, the results would be different... maybe your beer truly isn’t deserving of consideration... either way, you get feedback by entering the competition and you can use those results to make changes if necessary or stay the course if that’s what customers want.
If they did enter beers and only come away with, say, a bronze, would you think any less of them because judges at a beerfest judged them less than what you expected?
I know that I have disagreed with their assessment of beers; take Black Tooth Saddle Bronc Brown for example. I have never come to terms with them listing it as a Dark Mild! The whole system has its flaws imho.
No, I would not. That said, we live in a world that relies on media for their information. For people that have never had it before, yes, it would damage their brand.
I love this. I truly do. I want to drink beers from people that are passionate about putting out the best product possible. Cheers!!!
That sounds awesome! Wooly Pig in OH uses that strain, and their Helles is probably the best US brewed version I've had. Definitely brings Augustiner to mind, too; not just the esters but that "fresh mountain air" sulfury compound, as soon as you pop the cap. I'm sure it's even better in a Pils.
They (if you mean the BA) didn't list it as such... that was the style the brewer entered the beer to compete it. The tastings are blind, so the judges were only going by their interpretation of the style guidelines and the beer's implementation of that style.
I don't know.
I see a lot of bronze metals garnered by outstanding breweries that don't seem to suffer at all from their "lowly" placing. A GABF can't break you if your beers are appreciated by the vast majority of drinkers. Jmho.
I have a feeling that Tree House wouldn't even medal. Call me crazy. And I love their beers.
Yeah but Black Tooth Saddle Bronc Brown is listed as an English Brown Ale on their website.
Why was it entered as a Dark Mild?
Ask the Brewer. It was their decision.
I reckon that I will do that.
And I posted that query on their Facebook page.
Only way you'll find out for sure.
I'll have you know I brewed an amazing hoppy lager in my garage. I didn't enter, but I am 100% confident that if I did, I would have been asked firmly to never send another beer in again.
I don't really expect an answer because of their past track record when I asked them a question but who knows?
No, I have never brewed with the Augustiner strain. I have read that Wyeast provides this strain as a PC strain but it has never been available when I brewed my lagers.
I suppose that Imperial Yeast makes this strain available now? I have only brewed with Imperial Yeast strains a handful of times.
I have had the Hardywood Pils a number of times and while I have enjoyed drinking those draft pints this was never a 'favorite' Pils for my palate. I suppose I am spoiled by the wealth of riches brewed locally - both commercially and in my homebrewery.
I have only had the pleasure of drinking fresh Pivo Pils a few times (3 times?) and I am a HUGE fan of this beer when fresh. I enjoy Pivo Pils when it is a bit older (e.g., over 1-2 months old) but I much prefer it when it is very fresh. It seems to me the aromatics of this beer fall off rather quickly in this beer.
Imperial Harvest is said to be Augustiner's lager strain. I used it on a Helles last year, liked it.
Right, lots of breweries don't enter. Or maybe they just do while they are starting up, looking for a few nice results to get some exposure, then don't need to do so any more. Or maybe they don't while they are starting up, because it's expensive, and if they do win a big award, they'll sell out of the tiny amount they have available that they would have sold anyways. Or, it could be top-notch breweries, where if they get a bronze but some start up gets the gold in the same category, it actually makes them look bad.
Similar things happen in the wine industry with wine comps. It's very often not a smart decision to enter, or there's just not enough upside to make it worth it, and there are many reasons for this.
See also Hill Farmstead, Alchemist, Other Half, Tired Hands, Russian River, etc. If you are already king of the mountain entering in these competitions doesn't get you any higher if you win, but a loss could cause you to slip.