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Heady Topper in NH/MA?

Discussion in 'New England' started by nas4atu, Apr 23, 2012.

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  1. nas4atu

    nas4atu Dec 3, 2011 North Carolina
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    Can you find this beer anywhere in NH or Mass??
     
  2. Jnorton00

    Jnorton00 Apr 13, 2007 Massachusetts

    Some bars in Mass may still have some from the last shipment.
     
  3. dap325

    dap325 Apr 2, 2009 New York

  4. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Nothing like getting your law-breaking ways documented in writing by the country's most widely read NFL columnist.
     
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  5. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Gotta love Peter King - he's been on the slippery slope of craft beer for a year or two now, and I half-expect to see him at Extreme Beer Fest before long.

    Though I'm sure Eastern Standard is now cringing at the public outing of their Heady Topper self-distribution in a huge nationwide column...
     
  6. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    That's classic
     
  7. nopucophop

    nopucophop Mar 6, 2009 New York
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    Bennington VT would probably be as close as it comes to MA on a retail level.
     
  8. naloxone

    naloxone Aug 7, 2010 Connecticut

    Tips where to find in Bennington? Heading up to Mt Snow in about two weeks and if there is HT that far south, I may have to track down a couple packs.
     
  9. nopucophop

    nopucophop Mar 6, 2009 New York
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    Bennington Beverage Outlet and Manchester Discount Beverage have fresh Heady on a regular basis.
     
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  10. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Cringing? They're flaunting it!
     
  11. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    So did the laws change, are they completely ignorant to them, or do they just not care because their odds of anything happening are effectively zero? And why aren't other places doing this kind of stuff more often if nobody cares?
     
  12. thedivebar

    thedivebar Feb 26, 2007 Massachusetts

    The laws havent changed. Its risky business thats for sure.
     
  13. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    I suspect that the tweeters simply haven't talked to the lawyers. Heck, the Bros illegally served Pliny at one of their beer dinners.
     
  14. thedivebar

    thedivebar Feb 26, 2007 Massachusetts

    There's a bar/rest in Boston that has had Pliny on their bottle list for almost two years! They just have it Fed Ex'd. Some people don't mind taking the risk.
     
  15. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    Yeah I know about that, and I've certainly seen some other things over the years that I know shouldn't be served, but never anything this brazen.

    What is the penalty if you get caught doing this?
     
  16. thedivebar

    thedivebar Feb 26, 2007 Massachusetts

    It varies...there is no set penalty. But its certainly in their power to take your license away. This is bootlegging or tax evasion. They tend to frown heavily upon such things
     
  17. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    We have a little multiball going on here--take a look at my post in this thread. Assuming a first-time offense, probably a license suspension of 5-30 days, held in abeyance.
     
  18. Kpowers

    Kpowers May 31, 2009 Rhode Island
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  19. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    So basically there's no penalty for getting caught once as long as you don't do it again.

    I guess if they're really selling 15 cases a week, it's well worth it. I'm guessing they're marking up the hell out of these, so they could easily be making an extra $2000 or so per week. $100,000 a year with a low risk of getting a slap on the wrist? I'm surprised more bars don't do it...
     
  20. dukes

    dukes Apr 2, 2012 Maryland

    Is there any penalty for knowingly selling to someone who is bootlegging (or whatever the official term for this offence is)? You can't tell me that the brewery doesn't know what's going on when the same guy is stopping in to 15 cases every month.
     
  21. mmcgrath

    mmcgrath Mar 3, 2003 Massachusetts
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    technically, the restaurant served a free sample alongside the normal beer for that course.
     
  22. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    I'll leave it for the lawyers to decide, but to my eyes, at the very least somewhere between RR and the table someone violated sec 22 (prohibiting importation w/o a permit) or sec 12 (prohibiting BYOB in licensed establishments).
     
  23. jamvt

    jamvt Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts
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    are we talking about seiyo?
     
  24. youbrewidrink

    youbrewidrink Apr 9, 2009 Vermont
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    The brewery should not be held responsible if the brewery sold the beer in Vermont according to Vermont rules.
     
  25. nopucophop

    nopucophop Mar 6, 2009 New York
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    Why is this bootlegging? I am confused. Heady Topper is a beer registered in MA. Vermont law allows The alchemist to sell beer to others for resale.
     
  26. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    It is illegal to transport alcohol in MA without a permit:
    Those authorized in the section are
    * Personal use, including for family and guests, up to 20gal beer
    * Licensees, in permitted vehicles only,
    * Railroads/shipping/trucking operators, if they own a permit

    It is also illegal to sell beer that you didn't buy from a wholesaler or manufacturer that holds a MA license. See here.
     
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  27. nopucophop

    nopucophop Mar 6, 2009 New York
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    Wouldn't the Alchemist already have a license to sell to MA? Obviously there is no getting around the transporting issue.
     
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  28. Auror

    Auror Jan 1, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Thus retailers can only put one 15 gal keg per car.
     
  29. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    They're not licensed to sell in MA. They're licensed to sell in VT, and then MA wholesaler(s) bring the beer over the border and sell to MA businesses. At least that's how it's supposed to work.
     
  30. mschofield

    mschofield Oct 16, 2002 Massachusetts
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    Good to know, I thought it was illegal to bring across for personal use as well - why the staties used to hide at the NH liquor stores writing down MA plates


    ... not that it ever stopped me, but still
     
  31. nopucophop

    nopucophop Mar 6, 2009 New York
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  32. Horbar

    Horbar Feb 24, 2012 Rhode Island

    More BS government control. All it does is allow distributors to set up little "kingdoms". The alcohol laws really need some review.
     
  33. geocool

    geocool Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I'm not aware of anything like this ever. I did read about some traffic stops for suspected fireworks purchasers.
     
  34. emannths

    emannths Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    It's illegal to import alcohol into MA without a license, even for personal use (some news coverage). Moving to MA and want to bring your cellar? You technically need a permit.
     
  35. geocool

    geocool Jun 21, 2006 Massachusetts

    I just meant I've never heard of state police camping out looking to bust people for buying a few six packs or cases for personal use. Though apparently, having read your link, they did do this in 1976. Wow.
     
  36. mschofield

    mschofield Oct 16, 2002 Massachusetts
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    Or I guess if you're staying in state but moving and go over 20 gallons?
     
  37. mschofield

    mschofield Oct 16, 2002 Massachusetts
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    They have in the past, the article emannths linked references a funny episode where the NH troopers detained the MA troopers who were waiting up there writing down license plates.

    I think the only time someone would get busted these days was if they got stopped for say speeding and the cop noticed boxes of alcohol in the back seat and they admitted bringing it from NH
     
  38. cartoonshop

    cartoonshop Jun 6, 2011 Rhode Island

    whats with all these weird laws? the goverment, really needs to dial it back a bit. we have enough real problems to worry about without worrying about who ships what beer somewhere.
     
  39. bogiesbeer

    bogiesbeer Jan 30, 2008 Massachusetts

    looks like we have a few wanna-be lawyers out there. Getting back to the original topic...yes, Heady may be available at a few retail stores in Mass later this week, but I wouldn't count on it being widely available and/or on a permanent basis.
     
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