Help + Tips + Intro to BeerAdvocate?

Help Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Tomais, Sep 28, 2012.

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  1. Tomais

    Tomais Zealot (529) Sep 3, 2012 Germany

    First post here.

    I'm a newbie with regards to this level of tasting / describing etc etc. I used be a bit of a connoisseur of Guinness (draught), but over the years it became so hard to find a good and tasty pint in Ireland (no chance elsewhere I reckon...)

    Now I'm living in Germany. Since I discovered this site (maybe a month ago), the local supermarket has Paulaner Oktoberfest Bier in stock. This evening I'm back drinking one of my former regular beers and it tastes like -eh, better be polite- it tastes very thin ;-)

    Anyways, I couldnt find any sort of intro/info about:
    1) the site and how it works - short list of queries below
    2) the 'world' of beer - on reflection, I guess a lot of this is something one learns with experience, but practical tips would be helpful.

    Queries so far related to the site:

    1a) on the review pages, what the difference between the 'BA Score' and 'The Bros' score.
    1b) on each review there's 'rDev' - what's that mean? [edit] I've discovered 'rDev' on the 'Site Help Ratings' page [/edit]
    1c) how are reviews sorted - should I 'trust' the reviews towards the top more than those further down?

    Queries so far related to the 'world' of beer:

    2a) info re beer related acronyms (I'm lost straight away).
    Then there's practical beer drinking queries like:
    2b) Can I reuse a glass that I've just drank out of ?
    2c) should the glass be dry before I pour a beer ?
    2d) what temperature should various types of beer be drunk at ?

    If I've missed any introductory pages, I apologise (I did look)

    Thanks in advance for any advice tips etc. !

    Tom
     
  2. BlackBelt5112203

    BlackBelt5112203 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2012 Michigan

    Welcome!

    1a. Go here: http://beeradvocate.com/help/index?topic=ratings. It will explain the "BA Score." It's basically a score based on all the reviews a beer has had. The "Bros score" should be self-explanatory - it's the score that one or both of the Bros (creators of the site) have given the beer if they have reviewed it.

    1c. Reviews are sorted by latest by default. On a given beer's review, right under the information, there are tabs where you can change the sorting, eg. high, low, top reviewers, and Bros reviews. I tend to trust certain "top reviewers" the most if I'm looking at individual reviews, but I generally trust the overall score the most. Plus, you should make your own conclusions about the beer you drink. You will like some beers that have low overall ratings and you will not like some beers that have higher ratings. That's just how it goes. A lot depends on personal taste.

    2a. There's lots of acronyms. I think someone has a list somewhere, but I don't. Are there any particular acronyms you're struggling with?

    2b and c. That depends what you care about. If I'm reviewing a beer for the first time, I like a clean, dry glass to get the purest experience with the least amount of extraneous factors affecting the beer. If I've already had a given beer and I'm not reviewing it and I already have a glass that had some different beer in it, I'll usually rinse the glass thoroughly, shake off as much excess water as I can, and re-use it. The beer tastes exactly the same. If you're going to dry beer glasses, let them air dry. Wiping the inside down can leave residue behind that can affect head retention, clarity, carbonation, etc.

    2d. On a given beer's page, this information is off to the right side along with what glass to use. All that information depends on the style of the beer and the same information can be found by looking at the specific page of the given style.

    Cover everything?
     
  3. Tomais

    Tomais Zealot (529) Sep 3, 2012 Germany

    Many thanks BlackBelt for all that info & the tips - that'll get me going very nicely!

    There were so many acronyms around that I wasnt sure were the 'Bros' real bros, or another ancronym (!)

    I see you've done a couple of reviews yourself :wink:
    I dont know if it a natural talent to be able to pin down the taste of something - even with food, I'll be saying, there's a flavour or a spice in there I know, but often I'm damned if I can put a name on it.

    With beer I can taste well enough I reckon, but when I see some of the reviews I'm a bit lost (e.g. bready, grassy etc.) - maybe that'll come with time (and trying out different styles of beer). Other things are clear to me - the skunk smell of some beers when you open the bottle, the 'bubblegum' taste you get with a lot of weizen beers. The dryness, and the herb * quality of many pils. Till now I've usually drunk pils here, but with Oktoberfest beer currently easily available locally, I'm branching out now.

    Just got myself some Schneider Weisse to try this evening.

    Thanks again for the in depth answer!

    * herb - will have to look for a decent translation of that - hoppy I guess; a bit bitter; strong; definitely not sweet (it's nice when one words sums all that up).

    Edit/PS that page with the different types of glasses is great (would have been one of my next questions).
     
  4. Tomais

    Tomais Zealot (529) Sep 3, 2012 Germany

    > Just got myself some Schneider Weisse to try this evening.

    FWIW I'll have a go here:

    That's Schneider Weisse - 'unser Original' - 'Tap 7' - link to BA reviews here.

    1/2 litre bottle
    Filled on 06.08.12 10:59 (they're very exact...)
    Best by 06.04.13 (that's April 6th)
    Poured into a narrow weizen glass (1/3 litre)
    Dark (almost coppery), cloudy, with no visible yeast particles. Pours a big head which doesnt last that long.
    I get the bannana and yeast in the smell and the taste; bananna in the after-taste.
    Burps strong bubblegum :stuck_out_tongue:
    Smooth, creamy even, very drinkable.

    One review mentions clove - I wouldn't have been able to pin that one down myself but it is actually quite strong - in the background, yet very noticeable.

    I read it was good with food.
    I had a snack:
    halve an avocado, criss-cross it with a knife, pour in cider vinegar where the stone was, a splash of good soy sauce, a very small amount of reasonably good olive oil. The beer didnt mix great with it (as in take a bite + take a slug), but it tasted absolutely wonderful washing it down, i.e. a spoonful of avocado, swallow, wait a little-maybe swallow again, a nice draught of beer to wash it down. I liked it so much I ate two avocados (happened to have a couple that were just ripe).

    Am I getting carried away here? - must admit the review is of my second bottle ;-)
     
  5. BlackBelt5112203

    BlackBelt5112203 Initiate (0) Jan 2, 2012 Michigan

    There's no such thing as getting carried away with a review. Make it whatever you want it to be. And you're right, in order to get good at reviews, you just have to do some. Once you actually sit down and try, you'll be surprised at how much you can appreciate. Always remember that if you get something different from most other people who taste a given beer, it doesn't mean that you're wrong. Everyone's palate and tastes are different.

    As far as food with different beers, different styles pair well with certain foods. These can also be found on a given beer's page/given style's page.

    If you really want to get into tasting, reviewing, and appreciating different styles, I would recommend a few things:

    1. Check out the BJCP (Beer Judge Certification Program) style guidelines. You should be able to google them. It'll give you an extensive list of what to look for in a given style. I always try to keep the style guidelines in mind when I review beers. Example: Some of my favorite beers are DIPAs (double IPAs). Would I prefer a DIPA to a cream ale? Sure. But, when I'm reviewing cream ales, I keep in mind what a cream ale is supposed to be. If it fits the criteria, it gets a good score. If it adds to the style or is particularly tasty for that style, it gets a great score.

    2. I highly, highly recommend buying and reading "Tasting Beer" by Randy Mosher. He talks about so many things having to do with tasting, reviewing, and appreciating beer, including food pairings. When I realized that I wanted to get into appreciating what different styles had to offer, I picked up this book and it helped IMMENSELY. It's a great read.

    3. Home brewing, if you have the interest, time, money (it actually ends up saving you money in the long run), will teach you TONS about beer - anything from what different beer ingredients taste/smell/feel like to what's appropriate for different styles of beer to what certain "off" flavors taste like and what they're caused by when you inevitably make mistakes. I've brewed a couple of batches of beer and it's a great experience. If I had more time, I'd do it a lot more.

    4. Try as many beers from as many different styles as you can and have fun with it! Find out what you like and what you don't like. If you don't like a certain style, that's ok! Even if everyone else in the world likes it, this is supposed to be enjoyable. Don't drink something you don't want to. On the other hand, don't write off a given style based on one beer. Try a few before you say, "I just don't like this style." As you journey through different beers of the same style, you'll begin to appreciate flavors that are specific to a given style, what is different about the particular beer that you're drinking, and if it adds or takes away from what the style is supposed to be. If you decide to taste multiple beers from a given brewery, you'll begin to appreciate certain appearances/aromas/flavors/feels that are constant no matter what the style happens to be. There is a HUGE world of beer out there and so much to appreciate. Enjoy it!
     
  6. Tomais

    Tomais Zealot (529) Sep 3, 2012 Germany

    Quick reply:
    Thanks for all your help (and encouragement) BlackBelt :slight_smile:

    I've downloaded "BJCP (Beer Judge Certification Program) style guidelines" - that looks like a mine of information.
    And 'Tasting Beer' is available here on Amazon.

    Homebrew - maybe at some stage...
    I made Cider once years ago but that was from a tin. (Was quite good though.)

    I certainly look forward to trying out different styles. I didnt like wheat beer before I tried the Schneider Original - and I'll certainly get that again (I guess I would only have tried one or two of the bigger brands and thought 'not for me').
    will do,
    thanks!
     
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