Hop seeds? This has to be BS.....right?

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  1. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,328) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  3. leedorham

    leedorham Crusader (701) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

  4. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    BS = Bogus Seeds?
     
  5. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    I wonder what kind of seeds people will actually be getting ha! It is WA after all.
     
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  6. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    man, even THAT guy is out of citra... :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  7. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    So...a little googleing and seems like seeds MAY be legit. Not sure about this guy though. So would that mean that like other plants hobbyists grow, you COULD grow from seed until you could sex them and cull the males? Is that why rhizomes are normally used? I found a USDA site where they provide seeds for free for people conducting research.
     
  8. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Savant (971) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    That was my thought too lol.

    It seems like it would be more legit if they didn't have 20+ listed. I feel like if it were one or two types I would believe it.
     
  9. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Zealot (523) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont

    Even if the seeds are 'legit', they will not grow true to type - kind of like apples. So you have no idea what you will get. Could be a great project for someone who is really into growing hops.

    But, yes, the ad looks like BS.
     
  10. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    That's weird. So a seed from a plant may deviate from what it's parent was?
     
  11. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Zealot (523) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont

    Yep. It will still be a hop and will probably be vaguely like its parents (in most cases) but not just like them. That's why rhizomes are used. Planting seeds is strictly experimental for research, developing new varieties, etc. I'm no botanist but I think this is pretty common in the plant world.
     
  12. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Initiate (0) May 21, 2010 Texas

    I wonder what % of ads on craigslist are scams. From experience, I'd say 93.8% :rolling_eyes:
     
  13. Jefeipa

    Jefeipa Initiate (0) May 6, 2009 Arizona

    listing the AA% is the first tip that is fake.
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Defender (695) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    1/2 the shit on Craig's List is BS...but seeds are not...if you have a male plant around, you will have seeds. Skivtjerry is correct in that rhizome propagation is the only easy way to ensure the plant is genetically identical, but I believe legend has it, that Amarillos were originally seed propagated naturally.
     
  15. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Zealot (523) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont

    I've read that the first Amarillo was found growing as a volunteer plant near the hopyard. Thankfully, the weed-eater didn't get it.
     
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  16. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Disciple (363) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Hop seeds are a lot cheaper here on the east coast, although my supplier doesn't carry every hop variety in the world.... Nice find. :astonished:
     
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Defender (695) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    What's the chance that they nadded the boy that fathered Amarillo? ...he's gotta be out there somewhere : )
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,328) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Well, the orignal Amarillo plant was propagated by nature, and found growing on a farm where it wasn't expected. but every cultivated Amarillo plant since then has been propagated via rhizomes. That original Amarillo plant would not have been the same as any other wild plant.
     
  19. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Manitoba (Canada)

    Hey we all don't look just at the MsM ads :wink:
     
  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Defender (695) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    "That original Amarillo plant would not have been the same as any other wild plant"

    Will definitely not argue with that statement : )
     
  21. brewsader

    brewsader Initiate (0) Dec 7, 2012 New York
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    he has alpha acid percentages listed. it must be legit...
     
  22. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Defender (695) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

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    No Simcoe listed...it must be legit! Looks like the best buy since "pet rocks"...I'm dating myself : )
     
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  23. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,288) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    I have seen a lot of seeds over the years. That is way more than I have seen in 20 years.

    If these are from open pollenation, you know the mother but not the father. A crap shoot.

    There is the possibility that the guy works at a breeding company or university. How those are for sale, you can decide.
     
  24. patto1ro

    patto1ro Defender (622) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    I'm not so sure that they will be even vaguely like the parents. If you ever see the experimental plants at hop research centres they are incredibly diverse it terms of hop cone size and shape, even plants from the same parents.
     
  25. brewsader

    brewsader Initiate (0) Dec 7, 2012 New York
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    it's obviously a front for weed. /thread.
     
  26. VikeMan

    VikeMan Meyvn (1,328) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't think that's obvious or necessarily true.

    Really?
     
  27. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Aspirant (202) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Weed is legal in Wa so no need to run a front.
     
  28. brewsader

    brewsader Initiate (0) Dec 7, 2012 New York
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    no, i was being facetious.

    maybe they're shipping outside of WA? just a thought.
     
  29. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Manitoba (Canada)

  30. brewsader

    brewsader Initiate (0) Dec 7, 2012 New York
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    i'm debating ordering some just to see what the deal is.
     
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  31. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    Good to know he has all types and regions of Golding available.
     
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